atif.siddiqui
Posts:316
Insaf Shaheen
 | | 05/08/2010 1:11 AM |
| no candidates.. | | | |
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majeedraja
Posts:341
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/08/2010 2:44 AM |
| | Really sad, we must have some one there | |
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Moazam Ali
Posts:477
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 05/08/2010 4:17 AM |
| Yes that is very discouraging indeed,
However as far as NA 68 Sargodha is concerned i have read in a news paper that tough fight is expected between PML N candidate Shafqat Baloch and Independent Candidate Mazhar Qureshi as he is supported by all most all parties aand influential people of the area,including PPP,PML Q,JI,JUI S and F,Ahle Sunnat wal jamaat(SSP),Khatm e nabohat(due to Nawaz shariff statement on qadianis),and even Shias.He is likely to win but unfortunately join PPP like winner from PP 34 Ijaz Kahloon and impression will be given that it is victory of PPP however that is not the case as there are many factors responsible for his victory.
Moazam Ali
member of PTI from Islamabad
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sufghan
Posts:577
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/08/2010 4:49 AM |
| | No candidates because PTI had no strong biradari based individual in those constituencies. | | | |
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Evergreen
Posts:376
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 05/08/2010 6:20 AM |
| Save money and energy for General election.
Anyway, party in power will win. Even azad will be supported by party in power and will get them in to their party after wining.
PTI should spend the money in organizaing themselves before going to take part in any elections. | | | |
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Barlas
Posts:204
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/08/2010 8:35 AM |
| No excuse is acceptable for the running away from this and other by-elections. It’s just a failure of CEC and the lack of political wisdom. It should be the real training pitch and mobolizing exercise for the PTI workers but unfortunately, we are becoming a party of the boycotts. We are not going to take part in the election until the Angels will come to take over the election commission and, no corrupt, dishonest and liar person is allowed to take a part in the election.
God knows, IF we have a mid-term elections or even the main one, how we are going to behave?
We are unable to have a party or election SYMBOL after 17 years.
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Empowerment (Internal democracy)+Transparency + Accountability=Institution (PTI)
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Keep yourselves far from envy, because it eats up and takes away good actions, like the fire that eats up and burns wood. Muhammed (SAW)
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dr.arsam
Posts:124
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/08/2010 9:42 AM |
| | @barlas...brother this happens when u are doing politics of principles..the new electoral lists will bring happy times for us..but yes need to organize ourselves..we dont need to participate in these elections where its all rigged and old lists are used but we need to mobilize our workers in reaching evrywhere giving our message... | | | |
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zeezu
Posts:29
Insaf Activist
| | 05/08/2010 9:49 AM |
| Agree with barlas ..
I dont understand the thinking of our CEC members .. I and many of pti workers wants to know why we are not participating in By elections ?? | | | |
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sn_shani
Posts:318
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/08/2010 10:23 AM |
| | As long as we don't make some changes in the CEC, things will remain the same. Some people need to be kicked out and young blood should be injected. | | | |
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sufghan
Posts:577
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/08/2010 10:46 AM |
| | What on earth young blood will do in CEC ? Its not cricket where you need young blood in the playing 11. We need experienced seasoned biradari based strong rich candidates in CEC atleast these people understand art of real politics of Pakistan. PTI has got a very thin vote bank therefore we need to depend of strong candidates who have previous political experience. PTI need young blood in elections campaigns only that is where young blood is required. Our CEC has so many non electable candidates (drawing room based). We need electable candidates. | | | |
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Moazam Ali
Posts:477
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 05/08/2010 11:17 AM |
| In NA 68,
I think Independent has lost because of clear support of PPP and general feeling that he will join PPP after winning,a major role played in this perception was the joining PPP of PP 34 winner Ijaz Kahloon,this caused anti PPP voters to vote for PML N what they feel less evil of the two or opted not to vote which again went to PML N favour because they didnt have any other option.Unfortunately PTI has let down many once again.
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member of PTI from Islamabad
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damon salvatore
Posts:5
Insaf Member
| | 05/08/2010 11:52 AM |
| | this new policy of PTI to boycott all elections till ECP becomes independent is absolutely wrong and is hurting the party very badly. | | | |
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Evergreen
Posts:376
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 05/08/2010 12:24 PM |
| Money is the main and first issue. anyone here to bare all the election expenses?
Organization process is going on....our target is general election.
Elections are held on the list of 1997. Not a good source for PTI as we have young supporters.
Ruling party will never let any one to win. History shows by elections are always won by ruling elite, directly or indirectly.
We can utilize the same money for organizing ourself in many places in Pakistan instead of contesting in fake elections where govt party will win in any case.
Anyway, Let's work for general election with suitable candidates. People will come to vote for PTI and this is where the major difference will take place between all aprties with new voter list and free n independent elections. | | | |
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Barlas
Posts:204
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/08/2010 1:52 PM |
| @Dr.Arsam
No doubt, the principles are the base, but the end of the day; you can’t change Any thing by staying away from the system. You should keep pulling every string; showing the mirror through the media, legal challenge through the judiciary, and protests on the roads. But, but don’t leave the political ground for that long. You should do ‘Dwaa’ and Duah at the same time. Join the system and try to change it. Out of system will not do well to the party and de-motivate the members.
Why CEC could not decide election symbol, so far? Because, they are taking their positions as permanently granted !!
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Empowerment (Internal democracy)+Transparency + Accountability=Institution (PTI)
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Keep yourselves far from envy, because it eats up and takes away good actions, like the fire that eats up and burns wood. Muhammed (SAW)
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sufghan
Posts:577
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/08/2010 2:26 PM |
| | In NA 68 NA 155 and NA 100 all biradari based strong candidates have managed to win. That is what we need in PTI otherwise it would be very hard to get 60000 odd votes from single constituency. | | | |
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Che Guevera
Posts:640
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 05/08/2010 3:10 PM |
| I think the message is very clear by PTI higher ups...... if we do not have a strong candidate we will not contest. Right now we can pick and choose our battles but not for long. To me this strategy means that we will be focusing on 10-15 seats in next elections, which, to me, seems a wrong strategy. If we do not pose ourselves as the "alternative force" we will remain restricted to a few constituencies( even there a win is not guaranteed). Although I am not against the inclusion of strong personalities provided they do not have blatant allegations against them, I strongly feel that if Imran does not conduct a large scale Awam Rabta Muhim and directly involves the public we will never pose ourselves as a threat and these so called strong folks will not join us. On the other hand if we have successful campaign on these lines even if we do not have a big name on our side we can still give a very tough fight.
PS: Any info from PEC meeting about upcoming by elections in Rawalpindi, Pakpattan,Mandi Bhauddin???
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Leader.
Posts:1907
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 05/08/2010 3:50 PM |
| | It is better to loose than to support Bradri system. | |
My comments are my personal views and make no representation of party policies. | |
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usmanyousaf
Posts:22
Insaf Activist
| | 05/08/2010 4:22 PM |
| I still cant conclude that why PTI is not participating coz most of the people are political workers. No one from the management answers yet.
Anyways, i think k there is no one that can stand with PTI from that region. It really made me feel sad. I pray all the best from Imran Khan and his Party. and I shall contribute my efforts till my death. inshAllah | | | |
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sufghan
Posts:577
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/08/2010 5:51 PM |
| | Without the support of biradari system it is impossible to get 50000 or 60000 votes in National Assembly constituency. For that only strong candidates can help PTI. Our vote bank is very thin so party vote will not make it 50000 or 60000 in one NA constituency. | | | |
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Moazam Ali
Posts:477
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 06/08/2010 1:40 AM |
| Leader,
agree with you,
Sufghan,
i am sorry this is no excuse we should at least give people an opportunity,put up a fight and than see what happens,we cannot conclude anything just on perception,we should change the general perception of biradri system,etc,i saw on tv that when people in these rural areas were asked whom will you vote they said we will see when we are informed about the candidates and parties participating,there is lack of communication,we need to convey our message to people and reach out to them,sardars win because they can reach out to a big audience or people who come under them and get thier word through to them.
There should be no excuses given for not participating in elections this is very demoralising and damaging for party any hopes from PTI are starting to fade away because of this in sensible approach.no mattter what the excuse fact is that it is a surrender and
We need to change the mindset that influential,biradri,wealth are important for winning and i am sorry if compromise with this system has started at very begining what will happen in the future,same reasons will be given for compromiss on other issues like PML N and PPP so what will be the difference,i am sorry if i am being bit harsh but this is because this kind of mindset is seen in party officials at important positions who have surrounded Chairman Imran Khan,
people are not registered and that is damaging PTI in elections that was a valid reason as many people are not registered and dont know the process,but now there should be enough awareness about it and they should find out its solution,if they dont do it than who will do it,when someone has come up with a possible solution and sent repeated emails to the Se Gen Dr Arif Alvi there has been no reply for weeks,and he said to me in a meeting that if you people come forward and work for PTI we will not need to compromise i want to tell him that sincere people are ready to work for PTI if they are given Support,they are facilitated,their efforts are acknowledeged and they are given a suitable environment and if voice of a common man is heard.however this is a separate issue i dont want to discuss it in detail as yet.this should not be an excuse anymore as people should come forward themselves and get there votes registered.
Moazam Ali
member of PTI from Islamabad
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