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omerzaheer
Posts:705
Insaf Shaheen
 | | 25/04/2010 1:09 AM |
| This post is the hard reality bite that we have to take constructively. Remember Imran Khan himself said in the Birmingham Jalsa that to " MQM shares the most commonalities with us except for their politics of terror".
MQM is trying to achieve what PTI hasn't been able to do to date and that is organising EFFECTIVE mass Public interactions at grass root levels.
The unbelievable is happening. MQM is getting a foothold in Punjab. For PTI it should be more troubling because:
a) The target votebank of PTI and MQM is the same
b) MQM is coming out loud on atleast two issues which touch a note with the people in Punjab as well as wider Pakistan.
i) They are raising voice for sorting out the "KalaBagh Reservoir" issue constructively
ii) They are pointing out that they are the only party where relatives or favourtism doesn't play a part in ELECTING (not selecting - that's what they claim atleast) party officials and condidiates.
It is high time for some introspect analysis. PTI should take a lesson out of this MQM compaign as to how to organise the public mass movements and create mass hysteria and awareness as well as reaching out to the public while addressing the issues that are the voice of people's hearts.
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Kind Regards,
Omer Zaheer Meer
ACCA (UK), BSc (Hons) (UK), CAT (UK), Adv. Financial Diploma (UK), Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialist (UK) & Certified CSM (LCCI & SMEDA - PAK)
Professional Associations:
CFAI (USA), PRIMA (USA), ACCA (UK), UKSIP (UK), PRMIA (USA), LTBA (PAK) & MPDD (PAK)
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http://omerzaheermeer.wordpress.com/ | |
| zaid sodhi
Posts:1
Insaf Member
| | 25/04/2010 7:43 AM |
| | ya,you are right,MQM has a base in karachi where they deliver and present mustaja kamal,s leadership being a city nazim as model and pti has not such ground and pti has to take bold steps | | | |
| sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 25/04/2010 8:38 AM |
| | IK should immediately conduct Intra Party elections in PTI and alongside new emerging leadership which will be elected by Intra Party elections he should go out for mass scale campaign.MQM is primarily a moharir party and punjabis will not vote for MQM, it will take years before MQM will get some sort of vote bank in Punjab even that is a distant reality. Altaf Hussain is considered as gunda, a traitor, MQM couldnt get a single seat in Rural Sindh i wonder how on earth they will get anything in Punjab. As for PTI they need to get serious in Politics ..its enough now. 14 years and stioll no party elections ????? | | | |
| Haider
Posts:83
Insaf Tiger
| | 25/04/2010 8:55 AM |
| I would beg to differ with the chairman on this count. MQM has a secular agenda and has been in loop with the pro establishment forces and thus resultantly it has been enjoying power most of the time since its inception. This trick has served purpose for them and they managed to build up a team who got first hand knowledge of governance and now they have plenty of faces to offer before the masses.
It began its journey on ethnic grounds and persuaded a hostile agenda against its competitors. Intolerance, impatience and violence have been its hallmark. One can go on and on but let the devil give its due that despite all this MQM’s discipline, commitment and dedication to its cause has opened certain venues for it in the national politics.
The only commonality between MQM and PTI that one can see is their leadership from the middle class. The rest is different in every aspect and we are two extremely different commodities sharing neither ideology nor methodology. Despite carrying the boggy of aggression and bloodshed, its entrance into Punjab shall however be welcome and one can only hope that MQM would have also learnt some lessons and it would try to achieve its goals, whatever they are, through peaceful means.
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| omerzaheer
Posts:705
Insaf Shaheen
| | 25/04/2010 10:59 AM |
| correction: candidates
It is high time PTI learns and takes corrective and drastic measures by engaging workers, promoting YOUNG, PRINCIPLED and HARDWORKING leadership and indulging in mass public outreach.
Else I can see MQM taking over PTI in a lot of areas of Punjab. Let's wake up to make PTI a strong party and not just a large fan club or launching pad (e.g. Kashmala Tariq Sahiba, e.t.c.). | |
Kind Regards,
Omer Zaheer Meer
ACCA (UK), BSc (Hons) (UK), CAT (UK), Adv. Financial Diploma (UK), Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialist (UK) & Certified CSM (LCCI & SMEDA - PAK)
Professional Associations:
CFAI (USA), PRIMA (USA), ACCA (UK), UKSIP (UK), PRMIA (USA), LTBA (PAK) & MPDD (PAK)
http://millatfacebook.com/Omer_Zaheer_Meer/
http://omerzaheermeer.wordpress.com/ | |
| agr933
Posts:582
Insaf Shaheen
| | 25/04/2010 11:16 AM |
| oho bhai sb was speaking Punjabi as well as if altaf nahein qazi a gaya he....
BTW, altaf's replica was covering up Altaf bhai's illness.
If he is all healthy then he should be addressing the awaam via a vedio link. MQM collects enough funds from london
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Dr Fouzia Sadiq
PTI UK
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| atif.siddiqui
Posts:312
Insaf Shaheen
| | 25/04/2010 11:26 AM |
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Well this is the right time for PTI to make in roads in Urban sindh; MQM cannot afford to engage in any sort of fight with any party as they are going national.
PTI must focus on urban and rural sindh now; khi, hyd, sukkur, khairpur can be the starting point. | | | |
| Leader.
Posts:1637
Insaf Shaheen
| | 25/04/2010 1:34 PM |
| | MQM can never become national. They are surviving on the names of Muhajirs. Even in todays conventions, 98 % people were imported from Karachi. You can see the way they were sitting was that of MQM workers style. Punjabies have different styles. Punjabies can only hate MQM. I have never seen a punjabi who supports MQM even Mohajirs living in Punjab hate MQM. | | | |
| agrarian
Posts:361
Insaf Shaheen
| | 25/04/2010 2:50 PM |
| hum nay kia khak seekhna ha MQM se, jesay chlta aa rha ha wesay he chlta rhay ga,chairman sb ko kahanian sunaie jati rhain gi, woh tv pe aa kr wohi 4,5 issues ka rona rotay rhain gay, aur is ko cash koi aur krwa jai ga, kbhi party ko uc level pe organize krnay ka faisla ho ga to kbhi provinicial constituency level pr, party k feslay wohi 5,6 log krain gay aur imran khan apni stamp se unki hr hrkt ko legitimize krtay rhain gay, nizam ki tabdeelil ka rona roain gay aur party ka stupid culture nhe bdlay ga, zardari ko taanay dain gay k uski governance boht buri ha aur khud se ek party govern nhe ho gi.yeh ha PTI ki syasat!!!
website pe aa kr dil ki bhras nikalo aur phir mobile phone pe girl friend k sath gup shup shuru ho jao. | | | |
| rizwan850
Posts:45
Insaf Activist
| | 25/04/2010 2:56 PM |
| bring on the intra party elections
this is the time for now or never
IK shud come out of his utopia........pakistani awam ka koi bharosa nahin .... | | | |
| junaid_e_45
Posts:28
Insaf Activist
| | 25/04/2010 3:28 PM |
| Yes PTI should be starting massive compaign, rather i would say it should keep on working on membership compaign as we did in previous govt in Lahore; but I would say people should not worry about MQM conventions, it is just media compaign. People are just being as it is focussed by media; its no doubt MQM pay to media to telecast their news extensively. PTI has been rallying, protesting, compaigning but media dont cover it as we dont pay them.
No need to worry about MQM as not only PTI, PML n PML q will not let MQM enter. Becasue is not offering anything new. People here are giving example of Mustafa Kamal, Mustafa Kamal only knows how to market himself. Even govt like PML q made roads, made 1122; right now PML n is maing roads and schools in different districts but they not covered as these parties are lead my old people who dont know how to handle or market themselves.
If PTI is really worried, pay media they will cover your story simple as that. But I would PTI should keep on working as they are, they should not be worried with such media games.
Truth will prevail inshallah | | | |
| omerzaheer
Posts:705
Insaf Shaheen
| | 25/04/2010 5:35 PM |
| Dear Friends,
Thanks for your inputs. All have made some very valid points. I'd just sum up a few important considerations:
a) No doubt there is a bloody past and present associated with MQM. Equally true is that they used their presence in federal government to grind extra resources for Karachi and presenting it as a model. How much of that is a media spin is a different story (hint poor health sector, increasing crime, e.t.c.).
b) However the main point is with media's co-operation they presented their convention as a "successful" entry into Punjab. They have thereby gained attention of the political circuit in Punjab.
b) Altaf Hussain used all the famous slogans that touch a chord with Patriotic Pakistanis and majority of Punjabis. It ranges from Anti-Feudal to "Zaalimu Altaf AA Raha ha" to even attacking PML (N) by saying I'm not a paper lion, e.t.c. They are raising the issues that are public issues and hence would find it easy to reach out to public.
c) They have no problem of resources and have most of the media beside them due to the "Karachi factor".
d) They have young and energetic leadership and disciplined workers and have taken the step to reach out in Punjab or as some political friends are saying grab it by its heart and throat at the same time.
e) The future of this adventure will depend on how well they could defend themselves against their past and present torture politics problem.
f) For PTI it is a turning point. DO or DIE.
g) Get YOUNG, PRINCIPLED, HARDWORKING and WELL-GROOMED leadership, give them some powers, aggressively reach out to public and present PTI as the genuine third alternative.
Remember, as I said, and time will tell this, now it's DO or DIE for PTI.
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Kind Regards,
Omer Zaheer Meer
ACCA (UK), BSc (Hons) (UK), CAT (UK), Adv. Financial Diploma (UK), Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialist (UK) & Certified CSM (LCCI & SMEDA - PAK)
Professional Associations:
CFAI (USA), PRIMA (USA), ACCA (UK), UKSIP (UK), PRMIA (USA), LTBA (PAK) & MPDD (PAK)
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| Asif_Malik
Posts:5
Insaf Member
| | 25/04/2010 6:25 PM |
| Salam-O-Aleykum,
I am very thankful to you for a very decent message on this forum, I think it is the time when we should accept Mutehda as a political party and not a nationalist group, anyway they were a nationalist group but when Altaf Hussain started to talk against the feudal system he was punished. If you read the history of MQM you will know nobody accepted them as a political or nationalist party, when they invoked their rights we called them Ghaddar-E-Pakistan but now ANP and nationalist parties from Baluchistan are also shouting for their rights and we dont call them Ghaddar. In the recent era we see that Imran Khan and other political parties are even ready to talk with Sindhi nationalist parties but why do all parties hate Mutheda, I think the only reason is that MQM is a very vocal party, but if we'll not accept them as a political power they will become more aggressive that is what happend in 1990s, in my opinion PTI should welcome MQM in punjab and try to work with them.
Anyway in my opinion MQM is a reality and we should accept that they are very organized, their workers are very loyal to their party, Altaf Hussain never tried to get any administrative post, even non of his family member got any advantage of his political force, they send their low workers in assemblies and they change the faces in each election, people vote for MQM and their policies not for an individual.
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| wbuttar
Posts:1753
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 25/04/2010 11:34 PM |
| @UmarZaheer
Very well summed up. | |
God help those, who help themselves.
"Badlo Bure Nizam Ko, Vote Do Imran Ko" | |
| sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 26/04/2010 1:43 AM |
| No one has really mentioned about Seats. Its all theoritical whatever has been written here. Let me give you some figures and statistics.
MQM should not be undermined or its entry should not be taken lightly because after all MQM managed to win a SEAT in Gilgit Baltistan Election in November 2009. PTI did not even participate in Gilgit Baltistan Elections. MQM has been in power since 1988 and they have been winning seats from Karachi and Hyderabad..so they have a strong base.
Punjab is going to be battleground in next elections. Punjab is homeground of PML N, PMLQ, PML HumKhayal, Jamat e Islami plus on top of it PPP (PPP won 45 NA seats in 2008 elections in Punjab) during next elections PPP will not win more than 15 seats from Punjab.
Southern Punjab has even more competitors like PML Zia Group, Leghari's NPP and now MQM.
In 2008 ANP also managed 2 PA seats in Karachi.That was incredible.
Where is strong base of PTI???? From where PTI can boast that this area belongs to us ????
On top of its our Chairman the great IK has taken lot of fights and Pangas with MQM before so alliance with them would be U TURN in front of media so lets not even talk about it.
IK has been severely critical of PPP, PML N, PMLQ, MQM recently so alliance is out of question now. Only with Jamat e Islami we have got good relations and Jamat e Isalmi is a dead party.
Clock is ticking mates. In my opinion next elections are do or die situation for PTI and Imran Khan.
We must never forget what happened to Tehreek e Istaqlal. Lets see when Chaiman conducts INTRA PARTY elections ..becuse with current leadership we are goin no where...only with electable candidates PTI can move forward.
And one more thing..since electable candidates are ignored by IK because he is surrounded by his non electable candidates i just wonder if those ignored candidates decide to quit PTI then what will happen ??? IK is having bad relations with all main stream parties ..he is own his onw now..we do not have any alliance.
IK called Babar Ghori Afrika ka kala bander in Ilford UK, how on earth you people are expecting IK and MQM to get along with each other ?
2013 elections everything will be exposed. Lets see what IK does..I am sitting and waiting that when he coducts Intra Party elections. Until then atleast me being a political worker will keep on protesting.
PPP is conducting intra party elections soon.
PML N is conducting party elections in September
WHY NOT US ?????? | | | |
| bilalnuman
Posts:485
Insaf Shaheen
| | 26/04/2010 2:58 AM |
| | That's what we learn from them. I have seen their camp at Muslim Town More; let me tell you that all the people sitting there were not local. Might be from Karachi or Hyderabad |
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| Mirza-Sarmad
Posts:44
Insaf Activist
| | 26/04/2010 3:31 AM |
| @ sufghan
Agreed. But we must not lose hope | | | |
| insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
| | 26/04/2010 5:42 AM |
| @
bilalnauman
well done brother..they will try to use same tactics as they are using in Karachi ..someone was mentioing about Gilgit/Baltistan, i came to know some other people who are locals , they told that MQM gas given huge money to people who contested elections at their tickets plus all election campaign was run by MQM money (most probably bhatta money which they collect from karachi) ..MQM is worst Mafia in Pakistan..they exploit people they try to buy them , use also threats and violence but i do not see that MQM getting even 500 votes from any constituency in Punjab or Frontier..
i think we should not waste our time on non issue like MQM in punjab, which is nothing more than a Comedy show rather we should concentrate on our own organization | | | |
| majeedraja
Posts:341
Insaf Shaheen
| | 26/04/2010 9:14 AM |
| Dear Sodhi Sb, I know MQM from very close, in SINDH they oppse Kalabagh Dam and in Punjab they are in favour of dam. One thing is right that they do not do family politics in Election, but all family members cant dare to differ with MQM, here the difference comes. We must not get frustrated by their show of strength in Punjab. We have our own ideology and they have their own. | |
Majeed Aslam Raja
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| majeedraja
Posts:341
Insaf Shaheen
| | 26/04/2010 9:19 AM |
| Dear Siddiqui Sb, I completely agree with you, we should make our venture in Sindh, this is the right time, as MQM can not afford any querrl in this time. | |
Majeed Aslam Raja
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