naeemmuhammad
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Javed
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Insaf Tiger
| | 03/08/2007 5:58 PM |
| | Let him join and I am leaving. I am nobody but I do have self respect. | | | |
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wbuttar
Posts:1897
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 04/08/2007 1:23 AM |
| | We should not emotional if anyone want to join PTI, it will not harm our politics. We are not living in a society where only angels exists. Everybody has some qualities and some shortfalls. Mustafa Khar is far better than many other politicians. I do not think he has curruption cases against him. When he was Governer of Punjab, he was a great Administrator. BB do't like him because of his stature. We should be compromising because when he will join PTI he will sign our terms and conditions and accept the manifesto, you cannot comment on the intentions of any body. I still do not think he will join PTI rather he will prefer to join PML (N) or a solo flight. | |
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Werdnighoffmann
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Werdnighoffmann
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Insaf Shaheen
| | 04/08/2007 3:11 AM |
| If he joins..............I will consider leaving.
wbuttar............its a nice post by you, but its not a question of angels or men. Its a question of track records, character, sincerity to the nation, the intent of why someone wats to join the party as well as if it will harm or benefit the party. I know things about that man which I do not want to list here , but I believe that he is a great ZALIM insaan. If he joins us we will lose members. I agree we can never be sure about anyone's intent, but we have to speculate at times to understand the meaning of actions.
I respect the difference of opinion. But my opinion is clear. Him coming to us is unacceptable both on moral as well as pragmatic grounds.
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madeel
Posts:1949
Insaf Shaheen
Web Management
| | 04/08/2007 3:27 AM |
| Well, this is not the first time that rumors haves been floated about PTI. At least, relatively older visitors are aware of it. Before getting indignant try to verify your source.
Few days ago, rumor was in the air that Imran has done a out of court settlement with MQM. Another rumor was that due to his life security, Imran has decided to stay in London till election. There are numerous of this kind.
The point is that you guys are responding bit quickly without thinking that it may be an attempt to defame PTI. And also cite your source, if possible. Anyway, your point is well taken. | | | |
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Shazy
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Insaf Tiger
| | 04/08/2007 4:11 AM |
| First of all Mr. Khar will never join PTI. Secondly He must never be allowed to join PTI. I disagree with wbutter that our society is not of angels. When we are talking about PTI, does it constitute the whole society? Certainly Not. We are gathering people of the pure intents who are willing to work for Pakistan without a desire of material reward personally. If you rate PTI at the same level which you said that "society is not angels" it means that there are many bad people in PTI. is it? I don't believe this all. Our intention are very clear. Alhamdu Lillah I don't have any personal interest from this movement. So my dear brother we should struggle to bring those people in the party who are clean. There has a lot been written about Mr. Khar. I don't want to go in detail. Even I know personally one person who was in Police Intelligence and was assigned on Mr. Khar. So please don't tell me that Mr. Khar is a very good person.
The more important thing is that every member of PTI should be very much confident. This feeling that if some one famous (rejected) politician join PTI depicts lacking of self confidence.
Sorry about my words but I said here what i felt without any prejudice. | | | |
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zahidabashir
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| | 04/08/2007 4:59 AM |
| | why do we need such people? why cant we bring honest and dedicated youth,,,who doesnt want seat but want prosperous happy pakistan....agar cruel loagon ka sath sath kaam kerna tha to PTI banana ke zarorat kia thy ?and yes agar mujhay jis din yeh pata lag gaya PTI is no different then usual political party in its true intentions i ll also leave. | | | |
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m1zaheer
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Insaf Member
| | 04/08/2007 5:52 AM |
| | The day Mustafa Khar joins PTI i will leav.We want clean representatives in our party. | | | |
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alich76
Posts:781
Insaf Shaheen
| | 04/08/2007 9:28 AM |
| Can we deny a Pakistani citizen to join any political party? If some one comes to join hand with our party should we look at his past record? While we know that people do change with time...Hasn,t IK changed.
It is a different issue whether we give some one party ticket or not. Party ticket should be decided purely on merit and here past political record is helpful.
So if Khar wants to join PTI, it is ok but he shouldn,t be promised party ticket. | | | |
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naeemmuhammad
Posts:152
Insaf Shaheen
| | 04/08/2007 10:18 AM |
| On paper, this theory is perfect.
But, do some one think that Mustafa Khar is joining based on PTI's manifesto?
I don’t think so.
His joining to PTI is first step towards getting a ticket for election.
We Pakistanis have been trapped may times, this time we should not. At least I am not going to accept this. My friend earlier said that “Let him join and I am leaving. I am nobody but I do have self respect.” Same is from my side.
However, I have a suggestion to PTI’s leadership, make a rule that
“The person who want to join PTI and is from another political party can get ticket after 2 years of leaving the previous party”
Give this option to Mustafa Khar, if he accepts we should give him warm welcome. Which I am quite sure he is not going to accept this option.
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alich76
Posts:781
Insaf Shaheen
| | 04/08/2007 10:37 AM |
| | can we make a rule of 2 years waiting time for party ticket? What if Aitzaz Ahsan joins PTI? Should we still insist him waiting for two years? | | | |
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umair zahid
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Insaf Member
| | 04/08/2007 11:11 AM |
| | Assalam o alaikum to all members. i am writing first time on this forum. i think on this we have to debate very calmly because what i think after 11 years imran khan has gained a lot of maturity in politics. he will not call any body to PTI which could harm his GOALS the reason is simple. He himself gave a lot of sacrifices to his Stand for Justice and for his party we should be careful and please don,t talk about leaving PTI .for me this is the only Plateform which can change the destiny of Pakistan and pakistani,s.please be patient | | | |
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naeemmuhammad
Posts:152
Insaf Shaheen
| | 04/08/2007 11:24 AM |
| Lota system should finish in Pakistani politics now. Rule should be rule. Individuals are importan but Cause is most important.
My joining to PTI is not based on that Imran Khan is my hero; rather i joined PTI based on its manifesto (cause).
As for as i think, PTI cause do not need any rising stars rather we need people who align with PTI's manifesto.
If Atizaz Ehsan wants to join PTI and PTI has 2 year probation (as i have describe in previous post) rule than Atizaz should wait for 2 year to get ticket.
Election ticket is not every thing to serve the PTI cause, he can contribute in some other field in PTI.
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Werdnighoffmann
Posts:113
Insaf Shaheen
| | 04/08/2007 2:44 PM |
| Khar no.
Aitzaz yes.
My personal opinion. | | | |
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mr_khan1
Posts:18
Insaf Member
| | 05/08/2007 2:43 PM |
| | if khar join PTI...i will leave | | | |
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Ravian
Posts:46
Insaf Activist
| | 05/08/2007 3:01 PM |
| Khar has no credibilty! it would harm our part's movement...!
n Aitzaz....yes he is the man of principle like our Khan Sb. (Lock It) | | | |
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wbuttar
Posts:1897
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 06/08/2007 12:21 AM |
| Guys, I think you are living in a Fools paradise. Be patient, this is Pakistan and these are politics. I never say Khar is an angel, but I dare to say that in the history of mankind no society exists where everybody was perfect. I am also not saying we should compromise on our principles but there also exists a thing which is called ground reality. If all of us quit PTI where we go? Will we join PPP? PML(N)? (Q)? or MQM?. At least we have a forum we can discuss everything in a democratic manner and no doubt influenced our leadership. In a recent meeting the Great Khan said that party tickets will be granted on the recommendations of party workers and it is a true face of democracy. I am a stauch opponent of power policits as well as politics of so called religious parties for their policies, but reality is that we are sitting with them alongwith PML (N) because they are standing on priciples (Maulana Diesel is not included). We should never compromise on our staunce but at the same time if someone want to join our party why should we bar him/her. I know after the news that Khar is going to join PTI, hundreds of PPP workers recently join PTI, who were reluctant to join us, we should also kept in mind that we can change and transform our society if we are in power. All men in PPP are not currport, they gave sacrifices for democracy for almost four decades now. PPP was a progressive party but hijacked by elite class who never supported the cause of Z.A Bhutto, even his daughter betrayed her father. Z.A Bhutto was also not an angel, he committed mistakes but we should have a larger visiion, he alteast gave voice to the ignored classes of our country. We do not need seasonal politicians but we need people who could be beneficial for our party. Mr. Khar can get ticket of PPP if he supports BB's stance but he agitated, resultantly he was not awarded ticket. At least we should support his courage. If we criticise personal life of a person then we should also critically examined ourselves and our leaders past. If Khar is a Wadera or Jageerdar, its not a sin. We should be optimistic.
Brothers/Sisters be patient and wait and watch and it will be too early to predict anything. We should be matrued enough to deal with exigencies in the political arena without comprmising on our pricniples and vision.
I still think Mr. Khar will prefer to join PML (N) or a solo flight. Sorry to hurt anyones feelings, but its the beauty of democratic culture that we can express our view freely.
LONG LIVE PTI LONG LIVE IMRAN KHAN AND LONG LIVE ALL OF YOU BROTHERS/SISTERS.
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Werdnighoffmann
Posts:113
Insaf Shaheen
| | 06/08/2007 2:42 AM |
| wbuttar..............i respect your opinions. I did not want to go into the specifics about that man as to why I do think he is a Zalim Insaan. But now let me say why I think he ought to be hushed away from our party.
What if I were to say that Mr. Khar married a lady doctor a few years ago. He saw her when he was admitted to sheikh zayed hospital lahore. she was one of the junior doctors in the team. He then sent a message to her family that he wanted to marry her. The family/girl refused. He then told them that if they did not agree he can simply abduct her. They agreed.
You wanna go to the hospital to confirm that? Do u want even more specifics of tha case? email me.
If what I say is correct , does that make him zalim enough to be denied entry to our party? and this is not about his personal life. This is about clear ZULM. There was no one , no court in lahore to protect that family form him. That is what we stand against.......injustice.
so do not tell others that they are living in fools paradise. the kind of wisdom you are advocating is the cause of our current state in Pakistan: compromising with the Zalim. | | | |
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gulsher
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Insaf Shaheen
| | 09/10/2007 2:29 PM |
| | khar has definitly left ppp.....i hope he joins PTI | | | |
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