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madeel
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Insaf Shaheen
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 | | 09/05/2011 12:43 AM |
| I think columnist Aamir Hashim Khakkvani has made some important points.
(i) At certain level, there is a battle between agencies (ISI and CIA). Therefore it is not easy to have access to correct information. In the Davies' case ISI was winner, this time CIA win quite convincingly.
(ii) We should appreciate the resistance Shuja Pasha and Kiyani were showing since last two years. Before that it was free highway for CIA operatives.
(iii) There is indeed a failure on the part of our agency and surveillance. A number of things needed to be remove such weaknesses.
(iv) A lot of pressure would be on Pakistan in the coming months. This require some level of unified efforts not just by the military but also from the Pakistani masses.
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| Saadia
Posts:45
Insaf Activist
| | 09/05/2011 1:52 AM |
| | When this whole episode occurred, I was of the opinion that Gen. Kayani and Gen. Pasha are as much to blame as the present government, but now since the US has started propaganda against them, I am of the opinion that they must be doing something good and they should be supported. | | | |
| syed qaiser kamal ahmed
Posts:598
Insaf Shaheen
| | 09/05/2011 3:40 AM |
| Do not be misled by these statements being issued by the the respective adminstrations. This is exactly what they are suposed to do. that is, make us think that our top brass is acting in the interest of the nation, they are not.
The present gang of traitors , Zaradari , Gilani , kiyani and Pasha all have to go . Remember our soverignty has been insulted, and as yet we have not lodged a formal complaint at the UN.
Not only that Pasha has flown over there to opologise, when they should be coming over to opologise to us.
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| KKNIAZI
Posts:679
Insaf Shaheen
| | 09/05/2011 4:42 AM |
| And who exactly is the columnist?????????????
After OBL episode first thing that came to my mind was now US will declare VICTORY and leave Afghanistan VICTORIOUS.
I think columnist kept a very very balanced view. There's always been a TIT for TAT in the agency wars. There is no doubt that ISI gotta severe damage this time but the crux of the matter is "milk has SPILT" and question always will be asked,
WHAT IF?
1. They shouldn't have supported NRO or
2. Shouldn't allowed Drones in the first place
3. or perhaps not gone into the war altogether
This damage is so severe that even CHINA, who tends to stay quite, has to come out and issue an statement in support of PK.
Cheers,
Kaleem | |
"TRUTH WON'T MAKE ME RICH BUT SET ME FREE" | |
| bilalnuman
Posts:692
Insaf Shaheen
| | 09/05/2011 5:31 AM |
| Leaders on leave
By Syed Talat Hussain
EVERYONE knows that Pakistan is facing a national security crisis. But what no one understands is why the leadership is either missing in action or flailing around.
Instead of unity of command, thought and policy that national crises generally produce, a worried nation has so far only watched a dispiriting display of inane politics and point-scoring among civil and military institutions.
The dithering and delay in responding to the US `operation kill-OBL` is shocking and should be cause for senior heads to roll. However, much more worrying is how in this crunch time the decision-making process has become dysfunctional by its inner contradictions.
For a couple of days after the May 2 events, Pakistan looked like 796,095 square kilometres of ungoverned space, whose leaders had gone on leave — quite literally in the case of Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, who, along with Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Hina Rabbani Khar and others, regaled himself with a visit to France. The president of Pakistan has gone into his shell — a technique he has developed to deal with all matters of supreme national importance, which do not affect his personal, financial or political standing.
The remains of the decision-makers in Pakistan, the army top brass and the Foreign Office bureaucracy have been centring their energies on formulating a narrative that could describe Pakistan`s take on the death of Osama and the US invasion of our land.
It is sad to see that even with all kinds of briefings, and many press releases, the message has not got through that the country is in capable hands. The accounts given even after much deliberation and effort have not been able to clear the domestic air of suspicion and doubt.
This is hardly surprising. In national emergencies, coherence of action, and not printed and spoken words, set the course for national debate. And this coherence of action comes from institutionalised decision-making. Both these elements are completely missing from the picture of decision-making that has emerged in the past one week.
The civilian leadership has passed the buck of responsibility to the army and the ISI. This looks like sweet revenge on these institutions` forays into politics and their domination of the national power scene.
However, by keeping quiet and deciding to stay in the background, the president, the prime minister and parliament have created a frightening situation. They have left serious matters of war and defence purely to the generals.
In certain political circles, there is unmistakable jubilation at the “humbling of the Pakistan Army”. Others are casting doubts on the official stance that no one knew about Osama bin Laden`s presence in Abbottabad.
A close aide of President Zardari cited on Twitter former Afghan intelligence chief Amrullah Saleh saying that they had informed Pakistan four years back about the presence of Osama in Abbottabad. She also cited the same source as claiming that Mullah Omar was present in Karachi, and that the Afghans daily brief DG ISI Gen Pasha on Taliban leaders.
This was the day after the Pakistan Army and the Foreign Office had gone to great lengths to deny this insinuation. But this clearly had no impact on the tweeting aide. She preferred to forward Afghanistan intelligence propaganda instead. This points to the civilian leadership`s deep distrust of the military high command. Consequently, there is no political ownership of the national policy response that Pakistan has articulated in the wake of Osama`s killing. While this might serve some limited political interests it comes at the cost of further weakening civilian oversight of national security.
Civilian disinterest in national security matters is also reflected in the poor response from the elaborate institutional framework involving the defence ministry, parliamentary committees and subcommittees related to defence, defence production and national security. They are nowhere on the policy horizon and look like showpiece arrangements.
The opposition`s conduct is just as disappointing. The PML-N took long to articulate its response. And when the response finally came, it fell short of the requirement of the situation: it was plain criticism and no concrete plan of action.
It seems that nobody wants to tackle the hard part of the job, suggesting policy alternatives and options. The opposition like the government appears pleased that the generals are getting punched around.
Feeling let down and completely exposed to public ire, the military leadership has developed a deep grievance. Some of this frustration came out at a background briefing to journalists last week at GHQ. Lt Gen Shuja Pasha almost choked with anger while complaining that the ISI was facing not just outside challenges but constant criticism from inside.
The chief of army staff Gen Kayani too was visibly irritated when he said that the civilian government had abandoned the ship of policymaking. (It was quite ironic to see some of the most vocal proponents of parliament`s supremacy in security matters from among the group of journalists goad and plead to the generals to take the lead in policymaking.)
Altogether this makes a sad national scene. If the blame game does not stop, distrust will completely paralyse decision-making. This will make the job of Pakistan`s adversaries a lot easier.
The civilian government has an opportunity to assert its authority and take charge of the security sector as never before. If it wants it can fix responsibility and axe whoever is found wanting in efficiency. But to do that, the government first has to appreciate the gravity of the situation and genuinely believe that US actions have punched a gaping hole in national security. Seeking narrow political mileage out of a national crisis is a high-risk game. The government might win but the country will surely lose.
The writer is a senior journalist at DawnNews.
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| madeel
Posts:2061
Insaf Shaheen
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| | 09/05/2011 11:38 AM |
| Posted By syed qaiser kamal ahmed on 09/05/2011 3:40 AM
This is exactly what they are suposed to do. that is, make us think that our top brass is acting in the interest of the nation, they are not.
The present gang of traitors , Zaradari , Gilani , kiyani and Pasha all have to go . Remember our soverignty has been insulted, and as yet we have not lodged a formal complaint at the UN.
Not only that Pasha has flown over there to opologise, when they should be coming over to opologise to us.
As I said it is a different viewpoint. The fact of the matter is that Pak Army and ISI has drawn some red lines. The US is pressurizing to change it. There are number of books being written by credible journalists suggesting strongly that there few things where Army is not listening. The fact that Pak Army haven't gone for N. Waziristan for counter insurgency is a clear evidence that the US doesn't have a total free ride as contrary to the Musharraf. It is a delicate relationship with some give an take.
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| madeel
Posts:2061
Insaf Shaheen
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| | 09/05/2011 11:51 AM |
| Posted By KKNIAZI on 09/05/2011 4:42 AM
And who exactly is the columnist?????????????
After OBL episode first thing that came to my mind was now US will declare VICTORY and leave Afghanistan VICTORIOUS.
I think columnist kept a very very balanced view. There's always been a TIT for TAT in the agency wars. There is no doubt that ISI gotta severe damage this time but the crux of the matter is "milk has SPILT" and question always will be asked,
WHAT IF?
1. They shouldn't have supported NRO or
2. Shouldn't allowed Drones in the first place
3. or perhaps not gone into the war altogether
This damage is so severe that even CHINA, who tends to stay quite, has to come out and issue an statement in support of PK.
Cheers,
Kaleem
The columnist is Aamir Hashim Khakvani who writes for express newspaper.
Both drone and NRO were taken place during Musharraf's regime. In any case, army is not completely against drone attacks, it only want it to be selective and less frequent.
BTW, Army under Kiyani in some sense helped the restoration of CJ Iftikhar Chaudary.
Yes, this is no less surprising that China came out for damage control so strongly. The language suggests that it is not a mere diplomatic statement, China actually mean it. To sum up, our army's hands are fill up with a lot of crime for our country and many good things. But at present, political dysfunctional and completely oblivious parliament, army has become only institute which can make some serious efforts for survival. This and next year are going to be extremely critical.
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| Zohaibkhan
Posts:1136
Insaf Shaheen
| | 09/05/2011 1:28 PM |
| وزیراعظم کی انگریزی تقریرغیرملکی آقاؤں کیلئے تھی،چودھری نثار Updated at 1910 PST اسلام آباد . . . . . قومی اسمبلی میں قائد حزب اختلاف چودھری نثار علی خان نے وزیر اعظم کی تقریرپر ردعمل کا اظہار کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ وزیراعظم نے تقریرانگریزی میں کی جوغیرملکی آقاؤں کیلئے تھی،انٹیلی جنس کی ناکامی وزیراعظم کی ناکامی ہے۔ انہوں نے کہا کہ انٹیلی جنس اداروں کی رائے ہے کہ امریکانے اسامہ کوزخمی گرفتار کیا، واقعے کے بعد2دن تک کوئی بات کرنیوالانہیں تھا،جی ایچ کیوسے پیغام آیاکہ آئندہ ایساہواتوحکومت کوتہس نہس کردینگے،جوبیان جی ایچ کیونے دیاوہ حکومت کی طرف سے آناچاہیے تھا۔انہوں نے کہاکہ اہم ایشوزپرلفاظی کے گورکھ دھندے میں نہیں پڑناچاہتے،وہ صرف ایبٹ آباد واقعے پروضاحت چاہتے ہیں،امریکاکی طرح وزیراعظم پرچڑھائی نہیں کرناچاہتا۔چودھری نثار کا کہنا تھا کہ کسی کو پاک افواج یا آئی ایس آئی پر تنقید کی اجازت نہیں دیں گے،1971کے سانحے کے بعد یہ پاکستان پر مشکل ترین وقت ہے،پاکستان آج اپنوں اور غیروں سے سامنے تماشا بن گیاہے۔ وزیر اعظم یا کسی وزیرکے رات کو دن کہنے سے حقائق نہیں بدل جاتے۔انہوں نے مزید کہا کہ حکومت نے عوام کے مسائل حل نہیں کیے صرف سودے کیے،آج کس مقام پران حکمرانوں نے ہمیں پہنچادیاہے،آج بھارتی جرنیل بھی ہمیں سرجیکل اسٹرائیک کی دھمکی دیتاہے۔ انہوں نے کہا کہ پتانہیں پارلیمنٹ کے فوجی دوست کس لیول کے ہونگے،بیرونی حملوں پرہماری تنبیہ گیدڑبھبکیاں بن کررہ گئیں۔چودھری نثار نے مزید کہا کہ صرف باتوں سے یا ان کیمرا بریفنگ سے یہ قوم مطمئن ہونے والی نہیں، دہشت گردی کیخلاف متفقہ قرارداد کاجوحال ہواسب جانتے ہیں،امید ہے اس بار پارلیمنٹ میں بریفنگ کارآمد ثابت ہوگی۔ عسکری قیادت کی پچھلی بریفنگ ناکارہ تھی۔آج عوام کو وزیراعظم سے بہت سے توقعات تھیں، لیکن وزیراعظم نے کسی بات سے ان کی تسلی نہیں کی۔ قائد حزب اختلاف کی تقریر کے دوران حکومتی بنچوں سے شدید نعرے لگائے گئے اور ان کی تقریر میں رکاوٹ ڈالی گئی، جس کے جواب میں ان کا کہنا تھا جتنا بھی ڈیسک بجالیں سچ کو نہیں جھٹلایا جاسکتا۔ دوسری جانب اپوزیشن کی جانب سے ایوان میں شیم شیم کے نعرے لگائے جاتے رہے۔ اپنی تقریر میں انہوں نے دوست ملک چین کو خراج تحسین پیش کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ مشکل وقت میں صرف عوامی جمہوریہ چین نے ہمارا ساتھ دیا،جس پر وہ پورے ایوان اور پاکستان کے عوام کی جانب سے چین
کے شکرگزار ہیں۔
Choudhry Nisar is trying to copy Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf's statements. We need to deal with his cunning politics. He is now trying to save GHQ and ISI, seems like a deal has been reached between GHQ and PMLN and GHQ has given Nawaz Sharif a clearance to formulate a government in upcoming elections. What does all this mean for PTI?
PMLN is known for their opportunistic and hypocirtical politics, I hope PTI has a concrete plan to deal with them!!
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