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umurtaza
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Insaf Shaheen
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 | | 30/03/2009 12:33 AM |
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Source: http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=73085
LAHORE: Eight people were killed and several wounded when some unknown
persons attacked the Police Training School with hand grenades here in
Manawan early in the morning on Monday.
According to sources,
unkown attackers threw away hand grenades at the Police Training School
in Manawan after which exchange of firing began between the armed
attackers and the police which still continues.
Reports said that eight persons were killed and several were injured and they are being shifted to hospital.
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| KashmiriTX
Posts:169
Insaf Shaheen
| | 30/03/2009 1:16 AM |
| | Yet another attack by traitors against the very institutions that provide safety to these worthless terrorists and their families...I'm just waiting for people to start blaming the "CIA/MOSSAD, RAW/India/USA/Israel" and not the actual criminals behind the terrorism...Pakistan needs to take a lesson from the rest of the world combatting terrorism and move to pass laws to effectively investigate and prosecute these animals quickly and stop political bickering about useless things at a time of war. | | | |
| teetoo
Posts:159
Insaf Shaheen
| | 30/03/2009 4:42 AM |
| And it is about time PTI makes its stance on these terrorists clear. When Imran Khan says that there is a foreign hand involved or these acts are in consequence to government policies, it actually sends a wrong message out. It gives these people a sympathy vote or an excuse that what they are doing may be right. And that is the exact message they are trying to convey themselves. They want to tell people that their acts are in retaliation to the government policies.
Now i am not advocating the government here and I fully agree that the government is a bunch of thugs which is not doing anything to get to the roots of this problem. But at the same time we should not be allowing to let these guys take the state hostage to press their demands. | | | |
| Waseem Butt
Posts:57
Insaf Tiger
| | 30/03/2009 7:08 AM |
| | It would be too early to make a statement who is involved in this incident. I am personally against USA strategy and illegal war in Pakistan's western border, killing civilians and destroying properties while calling it a war on terror and eliminating terrorists and their training camps. Its very clear that their strategy has failed and it resulted in Taliban are more strong now, they are more organized then they used to be. There is a possibility of retaliation from taliban because pakistan is helping USA to kill their people but there is a high possibility of some other agencies involved who want to take full advantage of the instability in pakistan and current crisis in punjab specially. Their purpose is very clear to make our current internal security situation more worst and to give this impression to international community that pakistan is a lawless state and terrorism is the major problem there. Pakistan Govt needs to take serious measures to improve law and order situation in pakistan, we can't afford these sort of incidents in our country. Its the duty of our law makers, members of assemblies to ask Govt. of Pakistan.
Why is our Govt so unclear in regards to NATO operation in our border areas?.........Is this not a shameful and criminal act to let one country intrude into our areas and bomb our people?..............Why are these Govt. spokesmen like Mr. Kaira so confused or unclear that they are asking public to give them a solution?.........are they so helpless that they can't say no to their Masters (USA)?...........I am very clear about our Govt that these people are only hungry for ministries and they just want to remain in ruling party by making these confusing statements and avoiding the situation as much as they can............People like Kaira and others in ruling party who keep supporting this wrong policy of pakistan govt. are basically hungry and dishonest people who try their best to misguide people and confuse them. There is nothing to be confused about, its very clear that there is only one solution to this taliban threat and that is withdrawal of NATO and american forces and no more drone attacks. After that Taliban leaders should be contacted by the other local prominent and influential leaders (tribal chiefs)along with our Govt. representatives assuring them that we are not against them and we would not be helping any country against them. Once peace is established there, we should send our religious scholars (selected) to those areas to bring some change in their extremist opinions against west and also slowly changing their mind set. There is only one solution to this extremism and fundamentalism and that is long term......you cant bomb them and expect them to change.......we have seen this failing. |
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| hussain mehdi
Posts:1315
Insaf Shaheen
| | 30/03/2009 9:12 AM |
| salman taseer's job is to hand over lahore into a situation of lawlessness and to hand over lahore into the hands of terrorists to level nawaz sharif.
the same tactic that once was used in karachi to level ppp,
and used in swat.
pakistan has become an state where rulers, bureaucrats and elites are fighting each other for revenge on ethnic and linguistic grounds.
otherwise, without strong powerful support from inside such crimes can never happen. | | | |
| KashmiriTX
Posts:169
Insaf Shaheen
| | 30/03/2009 9:31 AM |
| Waseem - with all due respect, I think you are the one making assumptions that are premature now. How do you know it is the Taliban and not Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, JEM, Lashkar Jhangvi, or any of the other numerous so called "Mujahideen" groups that have sworn alleigance to Al Qaida? Do you even know that Bin Laden and his allies released two videos this past week calling for attacks against the Pakistani government and military? Pakistan is facing a threat from Arab Extremists and their allies who have decided to make the tribal areas their base of operations. I don't care if America or any other country is supporting us, we need to root these terrorists out before they decide to expand their territory and indoctrinate more people with their petro-dollars and backwards interpretations of Islam.Â
Also, regarding NATO, who do you think is helping provide Pakistan helipcoters, fighter jets, missiles and bullets? Do you think the Taliban could replace NATO as our allies? I'm not saying we should completely abandon our foreign policy interests in theTaliban, but we need to figure out who we can use in the Taliban to combat the terrorists and their Arab-extremist leadership, not just accept their demands. Peace will only work when there is a military option behind it, otherwise you are just capitulating to the demands of terrorists.
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| Waseem Butt
Posts:57
Insaf Tiger
| | 31/03/2009 1:18 AM |
| | Just one sentence to your reply..........your thoughts are shallow..........you are not talking about eliminating root cause of terrorism. | | | |
| Muhammad Irfan Qazi
Posts:21
Insaf Activist
| | 31/03/2009 1:52 AM |
| These are the Fruits of a very fatal decision taken by a Traitor to join the war of mistakes(terror).
Now be ready to face the music. | |
Togather,We Can Rise | |
| teetoo
Posts:159
Insaf Shaheen
| | 31/03/2009 4:18 AM |
| Just eliminating the root causes of terrorism isnt enough anymore. Things have gone so much out of hand now. There is no doubt that force alone cant fix this issue but neither can talks alone do it. How on earth can you talk with a person who openly justifies killing innocent unarmed civilains in retaliation to the drone attacks. If they want to kill, kill the policy makers. Killing civilians is just pure cowardice.
I am not supporting the drone attacks in any way but have you ever thought why these drone attacks are taking place. it is because we are either unable or unwilling to root these terrorists out. There are elemenst in our higher ups who dont want this to end. They want to keep this issue alive so that the foreign aid keeps on flowing in. Is there any doubt that foreign fighters are being killied in the drone attacks? What are they doing here? They are not settled here living happy lives with their kids. They are fighting here.
Just a question you should ask yourselves: Can you allow a terrorist live in your home who says he wouldnt harm you if you let him live as he likes and then he plans and creates havoc all over the place except your home? That is exactly what is happening in Pakistan. You are giving them an inch of space and they are taking a yard.
and one more thing guys: please dont attack or ridicule each other on these forums. We are here on these forums because we have something in common and that is that we care about this country. Only our approaches could be different. and everyone has his opinion; even the opinions within a family can differ. Be patient and accomodating. | | | |
| Waseem Butt
Posts:57
Insaf Tiger
| | 31/03/2009 5:24 AM |
| | So you think eliminating the root causes is not enough? I am surprised to know your one sided views. How can you ignore the root cause and try to control terrorism? Sorry to say that your solution seems to be a failed one, well in fact its a proven failed solution otherwise NATO and American forces are still targeting those areas from air and land but to our surprise Taliban is even more strong and more in numbers. You said talking to somebody who is killing innocent people is no use and their mission is probably to destroy Pakistan or may be force their extremist ideology on us. I want to ask you a simple question in regard to your philosophy, what benefit or what political or economical gains they can get by destroying Pakistan? or do you think they want to force their ideology on others?..........Can you answer this that why were there not so many suicide attacks or terrorist acts in Pakistan before we started providing our land and air space to NATO and USA to bomb those areas and kill their people? Can you not understand a simple thing that this policy of using force against them has failed.........its a proven fact now.........There is only one solution to this and that is negotiations with them. They have a history of fighting against intruders and they never surrender. I am surprised to know your contradictory statement that on one hand you are saying our Government is involved and they would never want to have peace in those areas so they can keep receiving aids from USA and on the other hand you are condemning Taliban and Mujahideens, blaming them for terrorists acts. Is it so difficult to understand?.........that enemy's friend is also enemy.........if we stand with America and NATO against them, we are also their enemies. BTW my friend what is the definition of mujahideens and terrorists?........do you believe all of them are terrorists? or you take the definition from western lords? I am not an extremists or a supporter of Taliban or terrorists but at the same time I think we should speak truth. Pakistan is in a very critical stage now and we need to decide what is best in only our own interests.....we can't just let anybody come in, intrude and attack those so called terrorists and terrorists camps and in retaliation we are paying a heavy price. What good is that aid to Pakistan if there is no security, no law and order and if there are suicide bombings and terrorist attacks? The whole world is watching this drama of war on terror being played on Pakistan's borders and inside Pakistan. What are the impressions and messages we are conveying to whole world that we are a lawless state?, not capable of handling our internal security? Government needs to re-think about this failed policy of unconditional alliance with NATO and USA...........This needs to be stopped immediately...........or there will be more heavy damages to our country........... | | | |
| teetoo
Posts:159
Insaf Shaheen
| | 31/03/2009 6:19 AM |
| ok, where did i say that force is the only way out and where did i say that eliminating the root causes should not be done at all. that is absolutely necessary and there is no denying that. I only said that it is not enough. My point is that there are elements among them who can be talked to but there are other hardliners who need to be eliminated. and that also answers your question that all of them are not terrorists.
lets suppose, i agree to your point that these things were not happening before US invaded Afghanistan. what justification do have for the throat slitters of Swat. US or NATO is not bombing them. what justification is there for destroying girls schools. what justification is there for killing journalists, destroying barbers shops, punishing people for petty things like not wearing a beard, not having ones shalwar above ankle height and things like that. what right do they have to destroy shrines of Sufis. I hope you know that Islam in the sucontinent was spread by them and not by the sword. the fact is that they want to implement their version of Islam on us. The government has agreed to their demands and handed over Swat to them. If you think it is right and if you think that peace has returned back to Swat, just ask yourself honestly: would you like to live in the current conditions there?
you are absolutely right in saying that govt needs to get away from the unconditional alliance with US, but at the same time we need to tackle the terrorists camps ourselves and sincerely. | |
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| jumrose
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Insaf Tiger
| | 31/03/2009 7:30 AM |
| | For once i agree with Hussain mehdi | | | |
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