omerzaheer
Posts:705
Insaf Shaheen
 | | 28/02/2010 5:57 PM |
| It is said that Mr. Khan is a person who appreciates honesty and real passion for the cause.
Keeping in view that and my immense love for my country (belonging to the ONLY FAMILY in Pakistan with 3 TEHRIK-E-PAKISTAN Goldmedalists ensured an upbringing ensuring love for the country runs in my blood), below is an open letter putting forward briefly the major causes hindering the revolution Pakistan so badly needs:
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Dear Mr. Khan,
                   A lot of Pakistanis have experienced a lot of things in the struggle for the dream of a revolution, which is being tried to be achieved through evolution through the PTI platform. I'd however like to draw your attention to 3 major issues destroying the golden dream once glorified in the letters of PTI:
1) People openly say that IK is a good man, someone they trust. Even Lahore which is the base of PML(N) fully supports IK ......... but that is the very problem ................. It's IK NOT PTI ......... why ...... we all know........ think about it. (Structure, Transparency, Incompetent Second Tier Leadership except a FEW, Media mishandling, Misconceptions, e.t.c. might ring some bells)
2) Now this point is gonna be the kind of truth which is always hard to digest. I've been very closely involved with the PTI in UK ........ and it was and will always be for the sake of Pakistan ................   but unfortunately those who WANT to lead there have personal agendas and goals of self-promotion disguised in the pretexts of being a worker and as if they believe in PTI's ideology. These people do not care about PTI & it's ideaology when it CLASHES with their SELF-INTERESTS.
   Now even this would have been fine as good and bad people are everywhere, but this hypocrisy which unfortunately is not just limited to the UK structure, is so widespread that it makes people think what is different about PTI???????
   As all the parties have good slogans and plans but it's the HYPOCRITIC, IMMORAL AND/OR CORRUPT LEADERSHIPS who ensures that they are never implemented. Just having one IK and a lot of hypocrites would not do.
3) Why can't the affairs of PTI specially the financial and processes and criterias of leadership NOMINATAIONS (yes not elections as of yet except in one locality in Pakistan) be made more FAIR, OPEN & TRANSPARENT???????????
  This letter I've written so the PTI members and YOU, yes Mr. Chairman, You can focus on what is most important ........... cleaning YOUR OWN HOUSE & rectifying the WIDER PERCEPTION for PTI not just IK.
   May God bless you with your struggle and give you the courage to stand up for what is right by getting rid of atleast the HYPOCRITES in the 2nd -tier Leadership.
    Let competent, young, idealogical and motivated people take charge in their place and see the TURNAROUND ............. else I'm afraid another Asghar Khan may be in the making.     Â
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Kind Regards,
Omer Zaheer Meer
ACCA (UK), BSc (Hons) (UK), CAT (UK), Adv. Financial Diploma (UK), Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialist (UK) & Certified CSM (LCCI & SMEDA - PAK)
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Die4Khan
Posts:428
Insaf Shaheen
| | 16/03/2010 6:10 AM |
| Aoa Meer sahib
I did not wanted to come on this forum again but after your reading your email i am here. You have rightly identified the causes but no one is going to listen as they are all suqrats and entrenched with self interests.
Still best wishes for your hard work. Even if it did made a change no body would care about saying thank you there would be enough to highjack just like your UK transparency and member empowerment compaign was highjacked by hypocrites worse than the previous team.
Still best wishes my friend.
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sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 16/03/2010 7:59 AM |
| Omerzaheer,
Sitting in posh UK and writing slogans on ideology 4000 miles way from Pakistan rather gives it a mediocre look. First of all let me clarify you Ideology doesnt matter in Pakistani politics. This mantra of ideology is only workable in uk, usa and EU. In Pakistan 75% of our population is based in villages, rural areas. Biradari system, caste system works in electoral politics of Pakistan. In order to be successful in Pakistani politics you need to have strong electable candidates (with biradari support) only then a certain party and candidate can win anything here. For example recently in a PP 284 bi-election PML Zia group of Ijaz ul Haq won it comfortably against all parties because Arian biradari was behind him. PTI has not delivered in 14 years because PTI has not attracted highly electable biradari based candidates. PTI hasto win seats in Parliament in order to bring any sort of change. For that they need good candidates who can win NA seats. Once in Parliament then PTI can debate on mantra of change, welfare society, and progressive democracy. Art of politics is a complex issue and not many PTInas are actually acutely aware of what real hardcore politics is. In Pakistan you need local issues (thana, kechari, water, farmer subsidies, kisan ittehad, electricity, sasti roti, land reforms) to attract people and even that alone isnt sufficient along with that you need a biradari supported candidate who already has 15000 vote bank only then there is a chance of him winning it here.
UK politics is based on manifestos, ideologies right vs left plus tax cuts etc here in Pakistan its a completely different ball game. IK has slowly started to learn that he need candidates to win seats that is why he talks less on ideology but that has taken him 14 years to learn this. My dear brother Pakistani politics is very cruel here many leaders are born and history eats them out the way you eat strawberry during winter. Very few make their mark in hisotry. Air Marshal Asghar Khan's Tehrik e Istaqlal is one example. He and his party has faded away in history. He was charismatic and played a huge role during PNA's legendary protest in 1977 and went on to win 2 seats. But his dis-association with establishment Zia ul Haq and PNA in 1978 alongside registeration with MRD in 1981 plus boycotting of 1985 elections made him looked like a lost figure. | | | |
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Die4Khan
Posts:428
Insaf Shaheen
| | 16/03/2010 11:17 AM |
| sufghan just 2 questions for u
1. do u know this chap went to Pak for grass root change leaving lucrative position in Uk? Obviously not
2. if it is all about power politics and idealogy is crap as you are suggesting why should we come to PTI and not some more powerful party 
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sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 16/03/2010 12:02 PM |
| Die4Khan
Because you have failed to understand my logic and above all Art of Politics.
First of all i said in Pakistan in order to win seats you need to concentrate on local issues instead of singing ideology mantras.
Secondly Once PTI gets into Parliament then that is a time to promote Ideology.
Its like you want to eat sweet dish before lunch ????? Try to get it.... Seats first once in Parliament then ideology. Ideology in streets of Pakistan wont win NA seats..to win seats you need to emphasise on strategic tactful politics. Only if you could understand Art of Politics.
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Die4Khan
Posts:428
Insaf Shaheen
| | 16/03/2010 7:07 PM |
| sufghan
buddy you're either ot getting it or simply a novice. Why the heck would anyone join PTI if not for the sake of ideaology??? Those who are after power politics would go to the main aprties than.
i do noe what you mean but buddy unless theres a unique selling point you just cannot do it. What is the current attraction of PTI??? Why is NS so afraid???? Why is it making headways????
Coz of the perceived goodness of imran khan and its idealogy and why its not going forward fully per its potential coz of lack of young and idealogical leaders at the forefront.
and finally man u might be a genious but stop thinking others are stupid and research before blaming lyk u were b4
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sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 17/03/2010 2:48 AM |
| Die4khan,
No one is scared of PTI yet because it has not built any votebank neither any seats in Parliament. Why you are living in daydream that Nawaz Sharif or PPP are scared of PTI? Its because of this lackluster attitude we are not moving forward only way to make them afraid is to get seats in Parliament otherwise beware what happed to Asghan Khan of Tehrik e Istaqlal.
Even yesterday on Dunya TV during discussion some analysts simply did not want to comment on PTI taliban policy because its not a mainstream party by any means and i took it as an insult to our party. Here you are saying PMN N or PPP are scared of us ???? Strange either you prefer living in day dream world or world of ideologies but reality is Seats is what really matters in Pakistan ideology matters for nothing UNTIL you get INTO Parliament mate.
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omerzaheer
Posts:705
Insaf Shaheen
| | 17/03/2010 8:27 AM |
| @ Die4khan thanks for your contribution. Our responsibility is to do the efforts Result is in Allah's hands.
@ Sufghan My friend, when I talk about something it is after I've researched and seent he ground realities. Just to briefly inform you, I've been offered lucrative positions by the main stream parties but stayed away and have came to Pakistan just to support the people of Pakistan.
I don't want to brag but how many people have left their comfortable lives in UK and came to Pakistan for some goals and ideaology????.
Now both of you have some valid points but are on two extremes. As much as I respect your point of views, the ground relaities are different.
In Lahore the membership camps of PTI were attacked upon and banners and posters removed. Popular leadership of mainstream parties have asked their media cell to get them another "Sita White Fiasco" ............ Why would it be if PTI is not taken seriously.
They all know it has potential to be a threat and yet that potential is wasted.
Let me clarify that 9400 votes in PML N's base in the dire circumstances were a tremendous show.
Let's be fair, do you believe a party lacking proper structure, any kind of power, media limelight, budgets and alliances could have scored this big coming from a 3000 show in Pindi, let alone win the Bye-Election, which always is considered the sitting government's seat?.
Anyway i do agree that PTI has a long way to go and for that the issues are laid out in the open letter.
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Kind Regards,
Omer Zaheer Meer
ACCA (UK), BSc (Hons) (UK), CAT (UK), Adv. Financial Diploma (UK), Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialist (UK) & Certified CSM (LCCI & SMEDA - PAK)
Professional Associations:
CFAI (USA), PRIMA (USA), ACCA (UK), UKSIP (UK), PRMIA (USA), LTBA (PAK) & MPDD (PAK)
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Die4Khan
Posts:428
Insaf Shaheen
| | 18/03/2010 1:28 PM |
| | thanks meer sb I agree | | | |
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wbuttar
Posts:1753
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 18/03/2010 11:57 PM |
| Agree with Omer Zaheer in general.
@sufghn
Brother, no doubt you are explaining ground realities in a bold manner but we are here for change and we should have to give people hope and work for it keeping in view the ground realities as well. At the same time we should portray ourselves soldiers of change and hope, if we adopt same tactics then what will be the difference and people will not be appealed and we have seen the results in NA-55 where candidature of Jazi Khan back fired rather increase our vote bank.
We can only be succeeded if we offer them true alternative but if we offering masses the same product with same salesmen why they bother to change their loyality? it is a big question which needs to be answered. | |
God help those, who help themselves.
"Badlo Bure Nizam Ko, Vote Do Imran Ko" | |
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madeel
Posts:1927
Insaf Shaheen
Web Management
| | 19/03/2010 12:40 AM |
| @Sufghan
In addition to wbutter points. You have given us name of the eight candidate who have personal vote banks and they would sure to win the next election. You have said that we only need 8-12 seats to become mainstream party. Those candidates will give that number. Therefore we don't need to change the ideological basis of the party at all.
There are 60% non-voters in almost every constituency. These non-voters are the key to success for PTI. The challenge is to turn them into voters. For this we require the membership data properly. That is engage those members through various activities which we didn't do so far. I am sure that PTI can not afford to have traditional politicians in cities as its candidate.
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sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 19/03/2010 4:25 AM |
| Madeel, Wbutter,
Yes brothers Even if nothing happens still PTI will manage 8 odd NA seats in next elections because 8-9 good candidates with heavy vote banks are part of PTI leadership. I was talking about the long term policy and long term goals. For example if you look at MQM, since 1988 their seats atwill never cross NA have been around 20-25 and they that boundary. We in PTI must have this target in our mind that in 10 years time we have to be right up there with 2 big parties in terms of vote bank nationally. In 2013(or earlier) elections by securing 8 seats plus 2 reserve seats we will have 10 NA members and by 2018(or earlier) elections PTI should try to build sufficient votebank so that we can be classified as strong national party of all 4 provinces. | | | |
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Faisalabad
Posts:382
Insaf Shaheen
| | 19/03/2010 5:02 AM |
| | Rightly said bhai it is reality it is not PTI it is IMRAN KHAN. I think reason is that Ex jamat e Islami and establishment people are around Imran Khan. PTI is not preparing workers and ideological leadership. These people are successfully hijacking PTI and IMran Khan. Our ideology is not properly conveyed to workers thats is why PTI is not a political party yet. | |
No More Bad reputed people in PTI Please
People will vote for Change Not for those who CHANGE parties. | |
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sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 19/03/2010 8:32 AM |
| Faisalabad,
AGREED. | | | |
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omerzaheer
Posts:705
Insaf Shaheen
| | 19/03/2010 8:55 AM |
| @ wbuttar - Thanks for the secondment, appreciated. The point is further explained nicely.
@ madeel - Thanks for the response - "I am sure that PTI can not afford to have traditional politicians in cities as its candidate" - summed it up
@ sufghan - Thanks for the point of views and the indirect secondment in the most recent post re other probs in PTI.
@ Mr. Mohsin Raza Malik - Thanks for the agreement and putting it so bluntly. Sometimes it rather helps.
Most of the focus has been on point 2 whereas point 1 was touched lately. However point 3 is perhaps equally important if not more.
It would be nice if someone from the CEC (or officials in the webmanagement can contact the higherups) can reply to this. Would atleast show they CARE. | |
Kind Regards,
Omer Zaheer Meer
ACCA (UK), BSc (Hons) (UK), CAT (UK), Adv. Financial Diploma (UK), Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialist (UK) & Certified CSM (LCCI & SMEDA - PAK)
Professional Associations:
CFAI (USA), PRIMA (USA), ACCA (UK), UKSIP (UK), PRMIA (USA), LTBA (PAK) & MPDD (PAK)
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Che Guevera
Posts:625
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 19/03/2010 11:35 AM |
| A nice discussion with very valid points. I will briefly comment on the balance of ideology and ground realities.
To me ideology is what reflect a party's vision and stance. If we do not have it then why to form a new party in first place. Why not join any other party and later on defect and form your own faction e.g PML (Imran)!!!.
Now the more important question. Can we win elections based on ideology alone? The answer is probably a big "NO". But at the same time remember one thing; your ideology defines the boundaries with in which we have to operate. It makes your "do" and "do nots" list.We cannot have a certain ideology and act totally opposite to it with the excuse of political expediency.
Alos it guides you how to resolve the issues. As Sufghan mentioned in our elctoral politics local issues ( mostly development and Thana ,Katchehri, mazdddor,Kisan issues)and national issues( Bijli,Pani, Mehngai,Terrorism) are more important. Based on our ideology we have to address these issues in a lay man's language. Having nice manifestoes and not giving simple specific solutions will not serve the purpose.
Lastly, ground realities are important. Selection of the right candidate according these realities is paramount. But remember good/electable candidate will only join us if they have a hope of winning on our ticket. This can only happen if we actually go the people, address rallies( no matter small or big) and do not just sit in talk shows/seminars/press conferences alone. Bara Koh protest is one such example, if we could organise it , make it non violent this will serve the purpose. Similarly water course employees in Sindh staged a sit in for several days. We probably need to get more involved more in these issues. | | | |
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Die4Khan
Posts:428
Insaf Shaheen
| | 19/03/2010 12:21 PM |
| | thanks meer sb & i dnt thnk any official will bother replying as thy dnt seem to care | | | |
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