insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
 | | 10/03/2010 5:41 PM |
| | I always considered Nusrat Javed as most biased person on media, infact i think he is on payroll of Zardari and he spend no chance to undermine PTI and today he proved it once again
in Bolta Pakistan when they were discussing NA-123 this clown NJ stated that 10000 votes which is cast for PTI is infact personal vote of Hamid Meraj and PTI has no existance whatsoever.
I condemn this behaviour from a zardari shoe licker and ask him to shut up
infact if this clown wants, i can prove him wrong by facts on ground
I was in contact with PTI guys on ground , i have talked several times with atleast three UCs presidents and these three UCs alone got 3000 votes for PTI and all guys were having same view that "We are working for PTI, not due to the candidate but for the party" (it is only hint of the feelings of the PTI members , more I cant write as now Hamid Meraj is part of PTI)
PTI is present in all UCs of 123 from last 1.5 years when mian mehmood organized party..so I challenge NJ that correct ur facts before misleading the people to get some more vodka from zardari and co.
there are contact number present of PTI organizers of all UCs just ask them that how much vote is due to Hamid Meraj and how much is PTI vote..u would get the answer that PTI vote could be 4000-5000 more if some old PTI worker would be a candidate, actually old association of meraj family with N was a negative for us in 123...
so how comes by sitting in Islamabad this biased NJ is misleading viewers
it is absolute dishonesty from a corrupt person who claim to be a honest journalist..my foot | | | |
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afra
Posts:159
Insaf Shaheen
| | 10/03/2010 9:01 PM |
| calm down !!
I think ur anger is justified !!
but as it has been shown in na123 that if we work hard then so called realistic anchors (which to me some times not react realistic but ridiculous ) cant stop us from achieving victory
we need to concentrate lot on our focus and hardwork and sooner these nusrat jawed him self will be saying that revolution of Imran khan and pakistan tehreek-e-insaf is near | |
some one you just cant !!! | |
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madeel
Posts:1927
Insaf Shaheen
Web Management
| | 10/03/2010 9:15 PM |
| bhai insafkiawaz,
Maafi chahta hon but one of the PTI office bearers on ground told me before the elections that Hamid Mairaj has around 8000 personal votes. That office bearer lives in Lahore. I asked him that after the result of NA55. I didn't forward his words as I don't want to demoralize my fellow insafians. But you brought up something, so I have said it so as I felt that Nusrat Jawaid comments have some merit. You can burst at me, but this is what one of the office bearers of PTI in Lahore told me well before the elections.
And it is an open secret that PTI is now relying on the politicians which have their personal vote bank. PTI hopes that couple it with its own vote bank can really make the difference. That is what one member sughan arguing for. However, my opinion is that PTI base is idealist one which is basically non-voter, and very cynical of the political process. The key to success lies in mobilizing that segment which forms more than 60% of votes in any constituency. Having said that, sughan ideas make sense on the pragmatic grounds. Actually he demands PTI needs to be much more pragmatic.
Lastly, Nusrat Jawaid does have a soft corner for PPP. Like Abbas Athar, he misconstrued Zardari being targeted is due to animosity towards PPP. Sadly, most PPP supporters think that way. One of my friends' father has taken a little different stance that he don't mind, in fact nobody in Sindh, if Zardari would be tried in court. However what they do mind is that if politicians from other province not get tried in court who are also corrupt.
I wish I didn't annoy you or any other PTI member. bhut dartey dartey yeh post likhi hai. In any case, my apology. Thanks.
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UmerRocks
Posts:104
Insaf Shaheen
| | 10/03/2010 9:29 PM |
| Rather than saying brother InsafKiAwaz that NJ is bias or non-neutral
we should see where we lacked and how to avoid such lackness in general/midterm elections!!
b/c Hamid Meraj saab had political background and his dad was also politician so they should have major role of personal vote!!!
even i think we need to appreciate NJ for shading light on this aspect!!
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afra
Posts:159
Insaf Shaheen
| | 10/03/2010 10:21 PM |
| i m just watching jago dunya from duniya tv and the guess there saying that imran khan could be a next bhutto....
and the guess is not from tehreek insaf..
i think his name is ajmal khan niazi
so i m dam sure that GOD is right now taking exam of Imran khan and also from all his lovers ..i think its our test of temperament and soon GOD will give us real reward | |
some one you just cant !!! | |
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Che Guevera
Posts:625
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 10/03/2010 10:27 PM |
| Just a short comment: I personally think that Nusrat Javed, despite being a PPP/Leftist follower is one of the best political commentators in our media. I disgree with him on many accounts but still repsect his opinion. As Adeel mentioned above that Nusrat Javed was mentioning Mian Hamid Miraj's personal vote and how much PTI would have added to it. He has his own opinion and many opinion makers actually agree with him. On our end we must work on our organiasation and work hard on our manifesto with practical suggestions in order to convicne voters.
Lastly I will say that this result was a morale boosting one and I hope we contniue this upward stride in future also. | | | |
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insaftak
Posts:425
Insaf Shaheen
| | 10/03/2010 11:06 PM |
| | now we have time on our hand before general elections and we must strengthen our party everywhere | | | |
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Kiani29
Posts:3
Insaf Member
| | 10/03/2010 11:28 PM |
| Good analyses.........If PTI gets 3000 vote its cause of Imran Khan...........and if PTI gets 10,000 votes its the candidate not Imran khan...........
The Fact of the matter is Hamid Miraj sahab got 37 votes in previous elections..........These fake journalist like Nusrat, Hassan Nisar, Abbas Ather will resist change and PTI no matter what we do............. | | | |
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Usman_Sheikh
Posts:481
Insaf Shaheen
| | 10/03/2010 11:35 PM |
| absolutely wrong to say that hamid mairaj has 8000 or more personal votes.let me quote you a fact
HAMID MAIRAJ ONLY GOT 287 VOTES IN LAST NA123 BY ELECTION as an independant candidate.....cant find the source now but hopefully someone on this forum will
secondly nusrat javed has a right to say what he wanna say , after all we believe in freedom of speech so calm down and dont use degrading langyage against nusrat...argue but dont be nasty against any bias anchor | | | |
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mb1
Posts:137
Insaf Shaheen
| | 10/03/2010 11:36 PM |
| Everyone talking that these are Hamid Meraj personal votes. I want to ask those , does it makes any difference??. Nobody talked about his personal character. Is he corrupt, a loan defaulter or has any other bad qualities??.
I know a politician, Mr Arbab Jahengir(late) from NA2 Peshawar. He won his seat 5 times on the ticket of PPP, ANP, PML and even Independent. People of the area liked him and they voted for him.
@insafkiawaz
Dont give much importance to these TV anchors. They can say anything to show their importance.
I remember Hamid Mir saying in a program, " If everything is OK, why would I be sitting here and doing this program". Just think, he is getting a huge salary and his channel is making millions from his program. I don't thing people will have interest in watching these programs, if every thing is running fine. What will happen to these channels and these anchors?? | | | |
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majeedraja
Posts:341
Insaf Shaheen
| | 10/03/2010 11:44 PM |
| Dear Umer,
Dont get dishearten by remarks made by any Analyst / Anker. We have done a
tremendous job in NA-123. We must look forward with this positive attitude and
work as much hard as we can to deliver our party message to ordinary people in
order to convince him to be on polling station on Polling day.
We must not rely on personal vote bank. We are not traditional political party.
We have a very clear ideology, this ideology must reach to every ordinary
Pakistani. With regard to Party ticket for Election, I would say CEC must give preference
to old party workers. Â With all Best Wishes, Majeed Aslam RajaÂJhelum | |
Majeed Aslam Raja
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wbuttar
Posts:1753
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 10/03/2010 11:46 PM |
| @madeel
Personal votes usually vanished when a candidate is not suppose to winning, because power politics play a major role here and specially in bye elections. So it is hard to believe he got his 8000 personal votes.
Where was his personal votes in 2002 when he contested on the ticket of PML-Q and managed to get round 5000 votes, when Q-League was at its peak and all other candidates of Q-league got more than this figure in other constituencies of Lahore.
Where the vote bank of Q-League and JI gone yesterday.
Where personal vote bank of Jazi Khan gone when he consecutively got 13000 votes in 2002 (PP-12) and 2008 (NA-55) as an independent candidate.
You are right if we are offering change to the masses we should bring new/educated faces as well. But I agree with Sufghan to this extent that we also bring some old faces in certain constituencies.
It may not be our big achievement but we should be satisfied that we are runner up in NA-123 beating other odds. I was not expecting more than that and in this tunout manage to get 18/20% votes is quite satisfactory. And I believe if this is general election things would be different and we will be close contestant if not winning. And I hope we got a better vote bank in other constituencies and PML-N leaders are perceiving us as a threat in the next elections and they will now offering us to a status of ally. But I think we should test us in local bodies elections and an independent entity with some local adjustments and I am sure we can win many local seats in local bodies elections.
These are my personal observations and any body has a right to differ, which is surely welcome. | |
God help those, who help themselves.
"Badlo Bure Nizam Ko, Vote Do Imran Ko" | |
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madeel
Posts:1927
Insaf Shaheen
Web Management
| | 11/03/2010 12:35 AM |
| There are number of factors involved. When Jazi got 12000 votes, Sheikh Rasheed was not contesting who is a leading exponent of conventional politics--that is brothery system. As Sheikh Rasheed stepped in, he got most of it. Jazi's actual vote bank was around 2000 which he got in 2002 election which we didn't take into account in choosing him as a candidate.
I agree personal vote bank may not always work. Sheikh Rasheed lost almost effortlessly to Jawaid Hashmi--just one jalsa. I think, it vanishes when certain issue(s) become important enough that it transcends the borthery system or tribal feeling. This time Sheikh did pretty well as there was not any issue per se; PPP support also helped him.
My personal feeling is that brothery system is on its way to destruction. How long would it survive I don't know. But this brothery style politics would get increasingly ineffective in the next 10-15 years. This phenomenon of personal vote banks would get increasingly unreliable.
wo waqt taizi sai guzrta ja raha hai jab khamba bhi election jeet jata tha. Inshallah, it will end soon. And election would by large depend on issue, not just personal vote bank or the party leader.
Lastly, I don't live in Lahore. I tend to rely the assessment of that office bearer most of the time. That is why I asked him about. I don't know how many votes Hamid Mairaj got last time, there are different figures on our forums. Some are saying that he got 37 votes, some saying that hr got 1000 votes. However, what I know is that the numbers my friend had given fit well in the picture which were a week before the elections.
@Kiani29
PTI got 3000 vote too because of the candidate. Perhaps you haven't read any of the blogs on our website nor our Feb newsletter. Anyway, Jazi's actual vote bank was arguably near 2000 which he got in 2002 elections.
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madeel
Posts:1927
Insaf Shaheen
Web Management
| | 11/03/2010 12:51 AM |
| PML-N is consistent throughout regarding PTI being its ally. There are strong supporters of PTI within PML-N. Like Jawaid Hashmi, Saad Rafique, to some extent Ch Nisar. Even when PTI lost miserably in NA55, PML-N offered an alliance. Saad Rafique has on record said it so just the very next day of NA-55 result.
PML-N believes that PML-N alone can not get any significant share in NWFP. PTI vote may be the deciding vote there. | | | |
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wbuttar
Posts:1753
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 11/03/2010 12:57 AM |
| | One correction is: Jazi Khan was a close contestant in 2002 on PP-12 and got round about 11000 votes. | |
God help those, who help themselves.
"Badlo Bure Nizam Ko, Vote Do Imran Ko" | |
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madeel
Posts:1927
Insaf Shaheen
Web Management
| | 11/03/2010 1:26 AM |
| I have just checked the results on election commission website.
wbutter is right that he got 11000 votes from PP-12 in 2002 elections. However, I got another statistic which is also revealing. In 2008 election, Jazi got only 143!!
http://www2.ecp.gov.pk/vsite/ElectionResult/Search.aspx?constituency=NA&constituencyid=NA-55
On the other hand, Sheikh still managed to get 15000. The picture is now disturbed. I certainly need to review my picture. The issue is whether Jazi ever own the solid vote bank; or it is just the absence of Sheikh Rasheed. Perhaps without IK compaiging for him, he would not have even 200!
And we should thanked the media it never tell that in 2008 Jazi got only 143 votes. | | | |
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insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
| | 11/03/2010 1:38 AM |
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dear madeel
numbers of PTI organizer in 123 are on our website, just call them and ask them , is it the vote of PTI or Hamid Meraj..they will tell you that how they got these votes, just ask any of them...if you need some more details send me message..i donot want to write anything more here as i said that if PTI would have given an old worker a chance perhaps u would expect 4000-5000 MORE votes..just a hint...Aqalmand kay liye Ishara KAfi Hita HAy | | | |
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insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
| | 11/03/2010 1:43 AM |
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madeel
diagreeing on everything without knowing the facts is not wise behaviour at all, i do not know it is your habit or you wanna prove urself something about yourself...do not know..
due to Party as i said I cant write here more....but you r also following footsteps of NJ , that is sitting in Drawing room and considering yourself an expert of constituency politics | | | |
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madeel
Posts:1927
Insaf Shaheen
Web Management
| | 11/03/2010 1:52 AM |
| The purpose of discussion is to improve my understanding, to learn something, correct my mistakes. That is all. It has never been to prove that I am smarter than anybody. I believe everybody is at least as intelligent as I am; many are more than I am.
As you don't want to write anything due to party, so does I. Yes, I am sitting on a chair. That is why I asked somebody who lives in Lahore; and actively involve in politics. I only shared what an office bearer of PTI told me. He may be wrong. From your viewpoint, he seems wrong. All I say was that his numbers fit well. Anyway, my factual reporting has only two error in details regarding Jazi, which I have now corrected. Interpretation is always open to question. Consequently, I rarely hold any interpretation(s) as if it is final.
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insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
| | 11/03/2010 2:23 AM |
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NA-123 is like my second home, i do not belong to that constituency but have many contacts there due to my old college/uni fellows and their friends and from last three weeks i was in contact with them coz many of these guys were working in the campaign, and i know many inside things but my affiliation with PTI stops me to disclose here...
so no more comments on my side in reply to madeel because he is giving all theoretical hypothesis based on some mathematics and constituency politics does not follow plus minus done in drawing rooms ...thats it..
from the 55 and 123 elections valid conclusion is that we need more grass root ideological workers in every Union Council and less drawing room hypothesis givers and we also need to think that what brought for the party when we dissolved RWP body to make Chohan and Jazi khan as office bearers
in coming days, i will write a detail post about difference between 55 and 123..keep your ideological workers intact, they are the assessts for you and they will win votes for you..not the drawing room theorists or loyality switchers.. | | | |
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