hmcheema
Posts:1398
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 | | 11/03/2010 2:57 AM |
| I would like to congratulate PTI Management and workers for achieving a handsome total against PPP and PMLN combined candidate, and beating JI and Q league candidate.
NA-123 was the core PMLN constituency, by securing 10k votes PTI has actually dented the concrete wall, and the day is not far when this wall will ultimately fall.
PPP supported PMLN, PMLN used all government machinery, there MPA’s, MNA’s, Ministers and even Hamza Shahbaz was involved in POLLs. In fact PTI has contested against the current government and I believe that we have actually won because I have seen disappointment on the faces of PMLN officials and leadership even after winning, which is a clear indication of our success in upcoming Elections.
Turnout was around 12% percent 35000 voters in actual, we got 10,000. PMLN stuffed 25000 to raise their total to 44000, they have used the missing lists about which I mentioned yesterday.
We are all geared up and enthusiastic, our workers are motivated and have full trust in Imran Khan and PTI.
Long live PTI Long live Pakistan | | | |
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wbuttar
Posts:1753
Insaf Shaheen
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| | 11/03/2010 3:29 AM |
| | Agreed. | |
God help those, who help themselves.
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saqibtaj
Posts:10
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| | 11/03/2010 4:20 AM |
| PTI Shortcomings on Election Day:-
•Some of our Polling staff reached Polling stations around 10.30 am or late, whereas NLeague Agents were present in camps before 8 am.
•Besides 2 agent per poll, we require 10 to 15 persons in the camps outside polling stations .
•Pages from voter lists were missing and even at some places there was no voter list at all.
•Most of our supports are young and they are non registered voter, effort should be made to get them registered.
•More strong UC bodies are required, now we have number of workers and complete know how about the area, so proper UC bodies should be made.
•Hamid Sb and PTI management should go to the constituency to thank people and keep a close contact.
•PTI should now focus more to get Electables
•We should focus more on main cities specially Lahore and Pindi.
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hmcheema
Posts:1398
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Web Management
| | 11/03/2010 4:30 AM |
| Saqib bhai,
Nice to see you contributing directly in the forums. | | | |
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saqibtaj
Posts:10
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| | 11/03/2010 4:55 AM |
| | thank you hammad | | | |
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insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
| | 11/03/2010 5:18 AM |
| very valid points made by Saqib sahib.
registration of voters, voters list should be our priority now and i hope Lahore body will take these matter on emergency basis..
it is also true that our activist are getting some experience . thats why i always think that we should contest each election, it is also a training for for workers to manage the things on election day | | | |
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bilalnuman
Posts:485
Insaf Shaheen
| | 11/03/2010 5:29 AM |
| @saqibtaj
Bhai, Wellcome to this forum. | | | |
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tayyab1796
Posts:50
Insaf Tiger
| | 11/03/2010 6:14 AM |
| NA123 is probably the poorest locality in Lahore and more then 10k votes for PTI in a bye election is a mile stone especially when its a hardcore constituency of N league . I can guarantee that other constituencies in Lahore have alot more votebank for IK then NA123 . The only problem is its IK 's votebank not PTI's votebank and to address this problem i think PTI should bring forward the candidate according to the requirements of constituency .But this is s a highly divisive issue. Hamid Mairaj was a good choice for an area like NA123 .
N league 's knock at the door of jhang extremists for votes could provide us another opportunity because this enables us to play 'liberal card' . Disgusting as it may seem but we could tap into this sectarian minded votebank as well . | | | |
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insafkiawaz
Posts:769
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| | 11/03/2010 6:30 AM |
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tayyab 1796
u are right that 123 is poorest constituency so as 124...both elected big names but they never delivered...in 124 PPP will bring Aitzaz Ahsan in General elections and most probably N will support Aitzaz but we should not give a clean way to aitzaz ..we should bring our candidiate there and in 124 there is also organizational structure of PTI at UCs levels...and atni status quo vote will be in favour of PTI despite it is aitzaz or someone else..we have to fight in every constituency..another potential constituency for PTI is NA-126, where Dr.Shahid Sidiqque Khan (who now a days is in Punjab PTI body) got 12,500 votes in 2002..I lived in that constituency more than 16 years..a realtively well off area comprising of Iqbal Town, wahdat Colony, garden twon etc. people are well aware and i see a chance there...
NA-122 where Imran got 19,000 votes himself in 2002 is another potential area...in Lahore PTI has votebank no doubt..we need to make an effort and while PPP running away from elections in lahore and perhaps they will make some seat adjustments with N in lahore.. we have to cash all anti N vote in Lahore which is there and it is a wrong image created by some N media people that Lahore is a Qila of N or whatever...
I think in local bodies elections we have to participate with full strength and this will help us to organize party at grass root level in whole punjab... | | | |
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umair_saleem
Posts:205
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| | 11/03/2010 6:49 AM |
| @ Saqib Taj:
Good point raised by you and we will surely get help from these and will perform in a better way next time inshallah.
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sufghan
Posts:568
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| | 11/03/2010 7:18 AM |
| Lahore is actually a qila for PML N that is why Jahangir Badar of PPP miserably lost in 90, 93,97,02,08 elections, only victory of his career came in 1988 elections against same old hafiz salman butt.Salman Taseer himself lost 2 close elections against IJI/PML N in 1990/93 elections in Lahore although with a very narrow margin. Aitzaz Ahsan has only lost 1 National Assembly Election in his entire career and that was in Lahore in 1993 against very well known millionaire Humayun Akhtar Khan of then PML N. There would be no seat adjustment (apart from Aitzaz Ahsan's seat and even that would be on goodwill genture of friendship) between PML N and PPP in next general elections. Why on earth PML N would like to do seat adjustment. PML N is desperate of two thrids majority and i am already telling you in advance they would like to do clean sweep in order to secure 1997 type result and they are very much capable of doing it as they did it in 1997. Samina Khalid Ghurki is yet another strong PPP candidate in Lahore she is current MNA. PTIs best chance to secure a seat in Lahore is through Imran Khan where he got 20000 votes in 2002. Lahore is to PML N is what Karachi is to MQM. PTI should spend time in searching candidates who are electables, who have personal vite bank of 15000-20000 ex PML Q , Khar, or even ex PML N candidates of rural areas will provide good chances of securing NA seats in Punjab.
History shows whenever PPP's government is dissolved they do horribly bad in Punjab. In 1988 PPP surprisingly won 53 NA seats in Punjab against IJI's 43. However in supercharged atmosphere of 1990 elections PPP only managed to win 17 NA seats in Punjab. However in 1993 PPP under BB managed to secure 47 impressive seats in Punjab but in 1997 disaster happened when PPP failed to win a single seat from Punjab. That is what PML N can do and we must be careful in selecting candidates. In 2002 PPP managed to 34 seats frm Punjab and in 2008 they again won 45 NA seats in Punjab. This time PPP will not win more than 15 NA seats in Punjab. So atleast 30 NA seats are up for grabs in Punjab. PTI should focus those 30 NA seats alongside those where PML Q won around 20 seats in Punjab. I dont think so PML N will lose more than 5 to 7 seats in Punjab where they actually won in 2008. So PML Q's/PPP's NA seats in Punjab are up for grabs and PTI should be doing it by anti nawaz slogan. PML N is our real enemy. Rest do not pose much threat in Punjab. One must never forget PML N's comeback is always intimidating and very strong. In 1990 IJI won over50% NA seats and in 1997 PML N won 66% seats. PTI has to play chess game, shrewd tactics, bring Mustafa Khar, bring ex pmlq pml n people with personal vote bank plus rigorous campaign. | | | |
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abytude
Posts:864
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| | 11/03/2010 9:55 AM |
| COmprehensive and concise sufghan. You have said it the way it is. But Khar?
Remember Ijaz ul haq , another electable couldnt find a place in PTI only a year back.
PTI maybe filling alot of seats with Shahid Afridis, Wasim Akrams and other wise likewise with big star power. (Afridi is a part of PTI, Wasim im 99% sure so these guys will be fighting for a seat somewhere.
Afridi is PTI's best chance in Karachi. He can win every single of the 50 lac plus pushtoon vote in a heartbeat. Plus he is a 100% NA seat from Peshawar. When and where he is bought up remains to be seen.
There might be a good number of defectees from PML N itself. CHoudry NIsar has already been served a disciplinary notice by Ganjoo for being too close to Khan thereby giving the impression to the masses that he is a part of his party.
Saad Rafique may make a surprise move. The names are speculation though but there actually maybe a few.
PTI-Q-JI alliance is already in the air. CHaudrys have met IK in his residence in Lahore and Isb. That helps figure out why Q and N have a soft corner for IK. N doesnt want to confront him directly else theyl be rude to a national hero. Mushahid wants IK to lead the national government.
The chess is already spread out. The right moves will win it for us .. only the right moves.
PTI is a grown up now, they all know it. We must realize and take confidence from this fact. | | | |
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sufghan
Posts:568
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| | 11/03/2010 11:05 AM |
| I agree Abytude about some speculations which you have mentioned, I have been saying it on these forums that Politics right now is a chess game. Ijaz Ul Haq met few PTI CEC members but deal could not take place however JI-PMLQ are in talks with PTI. What PTI has to do is to make sure it gets the best out of everything. Direct open air alliance with PML Q will backfire because Q league is in disarry and Salman Butt plus Sheikh Rasheed could not win despite Q league backing. IK should be doing behind the door seat adjustments with Q league in certain rural constitutencies. Some prominent EX PML Q and N people joined PTI last year most of them have personal vote banks. If Q league supports those PTI candidates (behind the doors) they will easily win their elections. On other hand PTI should also provide some sort of carrot to Q league for example direct Anti Nawaz slogan helps Q league and JI. PML N doesnt have a soft corner for IK anymore after NA123 fight however IK would be in a position to get himself elected from 1 NA constitutency of Lahore from where he got 20000 in 2002. IK will win from 2 Mianwali constitutencies. Rest is a complete chess game. Behind the door deal will keep PTI protected from any controversial alliance. Once PTI is in Parliament then they can openly join Q league and JI as a joint opposition. As for Mustafa Khar i have heard few speculations about him, he will not join PPP of Zardari for sure. He has differences with PML N and Q and PTI is something that can be considered. Plus apart from behind the door deal on certain rural constitutencies PTI should fully capitalise if some EX Q or N leaguer wants to join PTI. In Punjab our real battle is against PMl N.
Our focus should be on getting seats by whatever reasons even if it requires ball tampering.
Khajawa Saad Rafique is a key member of PML N he will never join any other party. Ahsan Iqbal, Saad Rafique, CH Nisar, Ishaq Dar, Javed Hashmi, Khawaja Asif are key people of PML N. Nawaz is kashmiri so as Khawajas and Dars. | | | |
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sialkotdaraja
Posts:3045
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| | 11/03/2010 12:46 PM |
| @Sufghan
If you are not Sarwar then I need to talk to you. You have been crying about me that I tried to kidnap a girl  This is all bullsh.t.
And If you are Sarwar then Be ready I am in Pakistan and Am about to open you up their in your very own Zafarwal. I bet We can get people 100% better than you in CEC.
How many votes you got in your UC elections? | |
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Leader.
Posts:1636
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| | 11/03/2010 1:12 PM |
| | we are a prty of change then why are we looking forward to get thes eold faces into party. Everyone knows Ishaq Dar is very corrupt person. Ch Nisar has given thousands of obs to his Jayalas. We don't need them just to win us seats. If it is only the seats that matter then IK can join PMLN and we will get all the seats. We need to find decent, educated , clean and impresive personalities like IK himself and leave the rest on God and public. | | | |
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sufghan
Posts:568
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| | 11/03/2010 3:42 PM |
| | Ch Nisar and Saad Rafique will never ever join any other party. They are the 2 most loyal PML N politicans. Ch Nisar has been elected MNA on PML platform in 1985,88.90,93,97,02,08 and he will win next election too. He is too big a man for PML N and future Petroleum minister. Saad Rafique was MPA on PML N platform in 1997 and MNA in 2002/08 elections on PML N ticket. World can turn upseide down but these 2 will never ever leave PML N. So this whole talk of discussing PML N workers joining PTI is rather ridiculous. | | | |
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IFTIKHAR4INSAF
Posts:75
Insaf Tiger
| | 11/03/2010 4:08 PM |
| | i agree with the leader | |
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Mian Awais Anjum
Posts:344
Insaf Shaheen
| | 11/03/2010 4:51 PM |
| Well hmcheema with all my respect there is nothing to congratulate for NA123. in 2002 our candidate got around 3000 votes and now around 9500 because there were no candidate offered by PPPP nd PML(N) and you know pppp voters will never vote for PML(N) so most of them they have voted for PTI.
My question is where is the work and performance of our party top officials sitting on high positions for years and they live in Lahore???? What they have done for the party over years???? 13 years and less than 10 thousand vote especially when people are ready to accept change. Many polling stations we did not have our polling agents???why?
I think we should not sleep on it and we must face the reality and accept this defeat and get ready to make some changes in the party. We need to put hardworkers and core party workers on top positions to see performance. Sooner is better.
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Che Guevera
Posts:625
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| | 11/03/2010 5:25 PM |
| NA 123 elections: Well this was an encouraging result but to be very honest there is still a long way to go. Yes we got 10,000 votes against all odds but there few things which we need to understand also. i have following observations about it.
Despite all our struggle non voting people did not show up. There may be a problem with voting lists but I hope that for all future elections we make sure that our voters/supporters have their name listed in voters list.
When we say that lahore is PMl N 's strong hold then we must understand that it is our strong hold also.We have done most work here. In all other cities our performance ( as a party) will be likely be less impressive if elections are conducted today.
What next?:
1) Party Organization: Again I have seen that debate is revolving around whom to get into party. No doubt some strong personalities will help us but what about organizing the party to UC level. The data from membership campaigns should be utilized and our district/divisional leadership must work hard to make sure that we keep in touch with all new members.
Similarly if we need changes in our higher ranks that should be done in a cordial manner and we must induct/appoint capable political thinkers there who know the jor torr,the party ideology,the street mentality at the same time.
2)Give a clear program to the people: Talk of specific issues and give specific time bound solutions.
3) Imran must himself has to go for awam rabta muhim. Bhutto's success in 1970 was not because he had big wigs with him. I know Sufghan has this opinion but if we have a close look at 1970 results Bhutto had big wigs from Sindh and he could not win a simple majority there ( in provincial assembly). On the other hand he swept Punjab where there were no big wigs with him. ( Mustafa Khar was not a big wig in 1970!!!!). In fact in Punjab PPP was led by Sh Rasheed ( Socialist icon form Lahore), Dr Mubashar Hassan, Malik Miraj Khalid. Add to it the fact that it was the first ever election based on adult franchise and that Bhutto went to length and breadth of Punjab to convey his message. This is what we need form Imran also. He does not need to be theatrical but at least should involve crowd
4) Now coming to the contentious issue of political alliances. I will again say that we must work hard and increase our weight before we go into an electoral alliance. Q league has some good candidates but it is loosing them fast to N. whatever is left can come to us and in the end very few will be left with Chaudries. Q is a collection of individuals without any central leadership. We on the other hand have a good leader but lack an organised party. A seat adjustment is acceptable with Q but a full fledge pre elction alliance will not suit us. If we continue to perform well , even PPP candidates from Punjab may come to us.
5) Now we must also talk about our plans for Sindh and Baluchistan. we are a national party but practically limited to central/northern Punjab and NWFP. In one of mrevious posts I had suggested to convene a meeting of journalists from interior Sindh,know the issues,discuss the possible solutions and chalk out a comprehensive plan. Same is true for Baluchistan.
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bilalnuman
Posts:485
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| | 11/03/2010 8:56 PM |
| @Che Guevera
"Imran must himself has to go for awam rabta muhim".
100 % agreed. Imran should cocentrate on that point as early as possible.
@saqibtaj
•"Most of our supports are young and they are non registered voter, effort should be made to get them registered."
This is the most important point.
FINALLY I THINK ALL FIFTEEN UC INCHARGES ARE THE BEST PEOPLE WHO CAN ANALYZE THE PEOPLE RESPONSE IN NA 123 BECAUSE THEY ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH PEOPLE. PTI LEADERSHIP SHOULD REQUEST THEM TO SUBMIT REPORTS WHAT ARE THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVES OF PTI IN PUBLIC VIEW.WHAT WERE THE PROBLEMS THEY FACED DURING ELECTION COMPAIGN.
Specially what the people think about over slogan"TABDEELI KA NISHAAN , IMRAN KHAN". | | | |
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