insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
 | | 13/03/2010 12:37 PM |
| | This is what for i am crying from last 1 year on this website and conveyed my message several times to leadership also...if one do not believe in this Gallup survey then he/she should also never mention other Gallup surveys as reference
mitha mitha hup hup..kora kora thoo thoo |
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madeel
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Insaf Shaheen
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| | 13/03/2010 1:16 PM |
| It was obvious from the very beginning. Guirallas war always failed whenever they lost support in the areas they operate in. That is why TTP is defeated despite some innocent blood spill in the operation clean up.
IK knew it very well. In fact, in one of the talk shows he said that he does not care whether his popularity decline. If due to his stance on military operation, his popularity decline, let it be. That is what he said it so.
Anyway, he should have toned down his stance a little. And now we have effectively established ourself as a right-wing party.
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insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
| | 13/03/2010 1:53 PM |
| notable thing is that only 1 % people supported Taliban in NWFP again punjabi saying
Rah Paya Jane Ya Wah Paya Janay
many people including myslef who r not rightist as per definition of JI or related groups but we still support PTI from our hearts and souls ..but i am happy that from last few months IK has started other issues once again like social justice, education system etc. and i m hopeful that he will give more time to issues concerning people directly and Inshallah this Taliban phenomenon will die very soon ..Talibans will disappear but Pakistan have to survive forever Inshallah and we should continue our struggle for a positive change in Pakistan and PTI is only hope for that | | | |
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ptirox
Posts:27
Insaf Activist
| | 13/03/2010 2:16 PM |
| imran khan or PTI agenda abt taliban is never apologitic it was always diplomatic and political.
only political parties has the capability to settle the issue politically and diplomatically....and this is the best solution to the problem because if force was the solution then pakistan shuld have no taliban or terrorist by now. thats why from the last five yers we witnessed that the situation is geting from bad to worse and as result more and more innocent pple laing dawn their lives.....PTI stance was to deal with situatuin tactically....talk to them, engage them wid negaotiation, raid them divide them trial them.... bt dont bomb them because this is extremly counterproductive, as we have seen in the last couple of yers the catastrophic reactions of on going militry oprations......i belong to the same area and i found that this was how ppl start hating the army, and they start join the taliban...
imran suggested the best solution bt ther are alwys ignorant who will never understand. | | | |
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Amim
Posts:107
Insaf Shaheen
| | 13/03/2010 5:13 PM |
| PTI's stance of negotiating with Talibans was taken out of context and twisted to paint us as right wingers, just like Imran Khan's marriage with Jemimah Khan was made a political issue by incriminating IK as a sell out to Jews in one of the previous elections.
Jemimah Khan's father was a Jew and Jewish line does not continue from father, it does so from mother. The right wing opponents (PML and JI) lied about the relationship back then and the so called moderates and enlightened (PPP and those journalist that I call liberal terrorists) are doing so now.
To get a firm picture of where we stand, please do listen to Dr. Arif Alwi's interviews posted on this site from time to time. | | | |
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doc2good
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Insaf Tiger
| | 13/03/2010 6:21 PM |
| Very controvertial topic, simply. I feel the west as always... wants to create turmoil in a developing muslim state.
Under no circumstance should our own army fight our own people.
The so called Taliban are mostly extremist afghanis amongst others... who have never lived a life and have always seen bloodshed in their personal lives... in any case... they need to go back to wherever they came from.
There was a time when Taliban generated support from the common Pakistani, and that was when they were fighting the american invasion in afghanistan... the americans knew they will loose this battle unless they make us fight amongst ourselves... so in a way they are killing two birds with one stone.... creating disharmony amongst Pakistanis and making us fight their war for them on our soil with our men and folk loosing lives..
IKs stance, or my understanding of it is... if we try and provoke them with war... these gurellas will do exactly what they are doing now... i.e bombing and killing innocent people. we should dialogue and make them leave our country.. and not get involved in a war which was never ours to begin with.
It has always been,.. and always will be a strategy of the west to make us fight amongst ourselves whilst they sit and laugh at us from a safe distance.
We as fools do as they have planned !!
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sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 14/03/2010 7:03 AM |
| | IK and PTI should focus on local issues and all local issues related to poor people must be addressed for example thana, kacheri, clean water, farmer subsidies, kissan itehad, low taxes, low tarriffs, low sales tax, electricity and better employment. Taliban issue is a foreign policy matter. Foreign policy should be kept at one side and local issues must be given priority. If Foreign policy was that important then PTI should have got higher votes in 2 by elections. FP will not win us any votes , in Pakistani Politics local issues play a major role alongside biradari politics. | | | |
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Faisalabad
Posts:382
Insaf Shaheen
| | 14/03/2010 9:58 AM |
| | Now a days foreign agencies like Black water CIA FBI etc are also involved in terrorism in order to defame Taliban and Islam | |
No More Bad reputed people in PTI Please
People will vote for Change Not for those who CHANGE parties. | |
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afra
Posts:159
Insaf Shaheen
| | 14/03/2010 2:45 PM |
| well ..when our own people can not understand our chairman then how will others...
listen mr insaf ki awaz , imran khan never ever supports taliban BUT he wants our people to get back in peace .. its not about loving or hating taliban .. it is about loving those ordinary human beings who are being killed brutally in suicide bombing which is happening in daily basis...
so to take our county back into peace imran khan comes up with solution that until or unless we do not get rid of america,s boot licking we will never gonna be able to get rid of this horrible dream which we are living ...
now tell me from where the hell support of taliban comes in this....Man !! its not supporting taliban its about pakistan ..and yes !! i agree that other political parties like mam and ppp publicly comes out and say that imran khan is defending talibans which is not true even mqm and pp knows that its not true..but they r doing politics but what about us ...at least we should understand the issue.
thanks !!
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN TEHREEK-E-INSAF
GOD BLESS IMRAN KHAN !!! | |
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sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 15/03/2010 4:32 AM |
| | In Pakistani electoral politics Foreign Policy hardly matters. Local issues have certainly dominated Pakistani political arena since 1985 elections. There was a time during Bhutto's era during memorable 1970 elections when Foreign Policy slogans did work alongside local issues. However at that time Kashmir slogan was considered very popular because 1965 war was fough for the cause of Kashmir and Bhutto gained popularity from his strong stance on Kashmir. IK has never even mentioned Kashmir in his debates. All the time he is focusing on controversial topic of Talibans. That isnt good politics. Local issues should be given more importance. He should bring Kashmir in his debates to balance Foreign policy matters. I still remember Benazir's legendary foreign policy slogan during 1988 elections when she roared in the public " kon meray kandhay pay rakh ker kashmir kay liyeah goli chilai ga" The public was intoxicated in passion. We in PTI are missing this link we are not intoxicating public in passion. Our stances should be on local politics (low taxes, low tarriffs, kissan itihad, farmer subsisies, water, gas, jobs), Kashmir and very little focus on drone attacks etc. Public in Pakistan is against Taliban after recent attacsk in Lahore. This is where PTI has failed and Bhutto won in 1970. PTI isnt taking strong stance against Taliban wheras Bhutto played with the public in 1970 when he raised the slogan of Kashmir because he knew People love Kashmir to be liberated. People, people people matter in politics. People's thoughts, people's sentiments. I wish some of you could understand what i am saying here. | | | |
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insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
| | 15/03/2010 5:34 AM |
| @
afra
I am very much committed with PTI and will do everything for the party but I do not wanna understand ifs and buts to give any justifications for barbaric acts of Taliban..thats crystal clear , this is not only my stance , it is the stance of many other PTI workers ..i once asked this website and to party leadership that make an opion poll from PTI members about Taliban , that was during swat operation..in the end some party office bearers agree with me that yes majority has same sentiment like mine BUT.....................then same old complex story with ifs and buts
one has to live for truth and die for truth , this is our religion taught us..in recent days IK has talked less on this issue and i feel that members like me has a contribution in that
it is obvious that Talibans will disappear sooner or later but we have bigger causes ahead so let us work on those for the betterment of PTI and for the betterment of Pakistan and this Taliban factor is only damaging the country.... | | | |
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sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 15/03/2010 9:26 AM |
| | I have never supported Talibans neither I ever will. They are the real demagogues behind this political and religious treason in our country and ideally these talibans should be crucified on durand lane and their ashes should be burried outside the borders of Pakistan. How on earth their actions can be justified? They are killing the people of Pakistan. Indian Raw elements are supplying them weapons and these brainwashed young talibans are carrying out these suicide attacks. In todays Jang newspaper Hamid mir has categorically written and has even given proofs that recent attacks have been carried out because of revenge on Aafia's {EDITED}imprisonment and drone attacks. Our army should decimate these taliban forces they do not deserve any mercy. Its a wrong move by Imran Khan and some PTI followers they kept on defending Taliban and now the end result is whole Pakistani public is anti-taliban. I was always against Taliban and no one listened and now PTI itself is in dilemma. If IK will change his mind that would be considered as a defeat if he will carry on defending taliban that will further damage his reputation which is already in tatters after campaigning for a jewish man. I just wonder when PTIans will leaern the art of hardcore politics of Pakistan. Here in Pakistan, Public sentiments and people opinion is all what matters. Bhutto raised the slogan of Kashmir and it was supported by public. Public is what matters. IK believes in individual self supporting doctrines and it is hurting us. PTI is already branded as pro-taliban party, this is something i feared ever since the day IK publicly asked for dialogue with Taliban. Look at Shahbaz Sharif he has failed to criticize Taliban publicly and today he is facing media, public wrath. PTI should have never ever dragged itself in these foreign policy issues. It should have always concentrated on local issues (taxes, farmers, tarriff,s gas, inflation, water, employment, education, corruption) . Well damage has been done but still there is time for IK to forget about all these drone attacks,aafia, taliban and instead should focus on local politics. He should spend more time in Pakistan. Should become a local hero, awam ka banda. This western Gora touch in him will not benefit him neither us. We all know he is honest we all know he a great leader. But i am sorry i mean in Pakistan perceptions matter more than realities. Bhutto committed a single mistake beack in 1970 when he admitted and said kabhe kabhe pee laita hun it didnt bother many at that time however during 1977 election fiasco and controversy that statement was made public yet again and he was branded as some what less of a muslim and it damaged him a lot. It seems to me that not many PTIans are into History of Politics. Politics is based on History. History teaches us not to commit those mistakes which were done by ex-leaders. Our task is to make votebank, PTI should build a strong bank , bring more highly electable candidates by any means we need seats we dont need to discuss sensitive issues like taliban etc. They will not help us in general elections. | | | |
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afra
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Insaf Shaheen
| | 16/03/2010 2:15 AM |
| @insaf ki awaz
boss i ll remove your confusion just give me an answer
what does a brain washer tells to an educated brutalized tribal youngster before he convince him to suicide him self and kill innocent people ,,, how does he convince him....just answer me that? | |
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insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
| | 16/03/2010 3:42 AM |
| @
afra
till now, there are several interviews conducted from arrested potential suicide bombers (saelm safi, hamid mir, rahim ullah yousuf zai and many other Journalists did that) ....they were told a straight way to Jannat after pressing a botton ..few weeks ago Rahim Ullah Yousuf Zai (who is very credible and unbiased Journalist of NWFP) wrote that Qari Hussain who is mastermind of suicide attacks asked him that even if you come to me i will convince u to become a suicide bomber...
ok now let us start from early islamic history..the person who killed Ameer Ul Momineen Ali Ibne Abi Talib (Aleh Salam) , his name was Abdul Rehman Ibne Muljam and infact he did a Fidai attack on Ameer ul Momineen , my question was what was his motive to do that? what was the demands of that group who planned to attack Amir Ul Momineen...(just read a little Islamic history)
go little back the group, of people who attacked and killed 3rd Caliph Amir Ul Momineen Usman Bin Affan (Razi Allah Tala Unhu) , what was demands and motivation of that group?
group of people who planned attack on HAzrat Ali (RA) were believeing that Mazallah Hazrat Ali (RA) is not running the affairs of the state as per Shariat (Astghfarullah) and then they motivated people like Abdul Rehman Ibe Muljam to attack Khalifa e Waqat
These Taliban type of extremists existed in every era and they motivated people to kill other muslims in the name of Islam , Shariat, Rule of Allah etc etc. infact these groups helped non muslims by ctreating fasad which Taliban r doing
Our problem is that we do not read our hsitory , neither we try to learn some lessons from it...we have a very narrow picture to see and anyone who raise slogans against America despite of the fact that he himself is a criminal , not only get certificate from many of us to not only committ more crimes but also we try to justify those crimes
come out of this small box , otherwise Laurence of Arabia type of people make u fool in every era to deytroy muslim countries (please alo read that how laurance of arabia worked)
so, my dear it is not as simple as u think ....for the sake of your Religion, do not ever support or justify or even think that what Taliban r doing is lawful
I can quote here so many Ahadis and Ayat e Quran to prove that all acts of terrorism are unislamic, and if you consider that they r doing Jihad in Pakistan then my dear u r again wrong..there r certain conditions for JIhad which need to be fulfilled, it is not allowed for a bunch of people to take arms and start a Fasad in the land..Fasad fil Araz is biggest crime and it is not allowed in any condition whatsoever
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sufghan
Posts:568
Insaf Shaheen
| | 16/03/2010 7:29 AM |
| Senior Maulanas in Pakistan have already given Fatwa on these horrible Taliban. Yesterday in his programme Tonight with Najam Sethi he said " PTI and IK's policy of defending Taliban or in other words not supporting military action is not doing any sort of favor to his party and it looks a confused policy over this serious matter". Problem here is if our leadar would have been supporting military action majority of the PTIans would have also condemned talibanisation.But because he has not so therefore most of PTIans who are lakeer kay fakeer are also somewhat confused over taliban issue. We all have to unite and categorically denounce these talibans in order to regain lost prestige.Look at shabaz sharif he simply did not condemn taliban and all media is after him.
History matters a lot. IRA carried out several terrorist attacsk in UK back in 1970's and all parties unanimously condemned those attacks although solution was formulated in Good friday agreement through table talk. But in this case table talks wont help atleast in Pakistabn. An all out army juggernaut must try to decimate these talibans and to be honest these talibans are losing this battle and now they are desperate to carry out these last bit bombings to generate panic. | | | |
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