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zubair Ahsan Farooqi
Posts:20
Insaf Activist
 | | 29/04/2010 4:54 AM |
| | Each individual and organization relies on its strenghts to succeed. PTI is no exception. Our strength is our popularity among the youth and we need to focus on this strength to grow. Apart from the party of youth, PTI has the greatest support among educated urban middle class. Besides PTI,MQM is the only other party in Pakistan which is representative of urban middle class and hence we must look into their organizational structure because owes much of its electoral success to this structure . The same can be replicated in PTI and our structure can also be crafted along the similar lines. Despite being strong critic of their violent brand of politics, I appreciate a things or two in MQM.
1: The top leadership including MNAa and MPAa are highly educated and relatively young belonging to middle class.
2: Party does not rely on financially strong individuals to provide funding, rather it has an elaborated system of collecting donations from general public ( Although the party also resorts to Jagga Tax, which is an henious crime). Consequently MQM is under no compulsion to award tickets to rich/ influential persons.
Tranformation of this party from APSMO to MQM and into becoming the sole voice of Karachi should encourage us to reflect on our past performance and to take corrective measures.
To start with we must strenghen our self in the youth and mobilize this segment. This requires we spend most of our time and meager financial resources on this segment. Let me propose the following action plan for strengthening the party in the youth.
1: Select 5 major cities of Punjab and Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa Set up Membership camps near all major private and public educational institutions for 15 days. Besides membership forms, these camps should sell/ distribute PTI stickers for cars and bikes, arm bands, badges, caps, T-Shirts etc.
These camps should be supervised by carefully selected young educated people who are provided one-day special traning for the said job.
A student body comprising of minimum 5 members be formed for each educational institution after membership drive ends. This has to be done within next 15 days of membership drive.
These student bodies should be lumped together in distinct groups, each group comprising of say 10 to 15 institutions. These groups should then be invited to meet the central leadership of PTI and provide young people to express and share their thoughts with Imran Khan and other members of CEC.
Elections should be held in these groups for various group-level positions.
After the exercise which should be completed within 2 months time, fund-raising drive should be lauched and this drive should be spear-headed by these student groups. Each student group be allocated certain areas of the city for raising the fund. For this purpose educated, presentable and highly motivated individuals selected from various collage groups by groups themselves be entrusted with this responsibility and some basic training must be arranged for our fund-raising personals. It needs to be ensured that each and every individual residing in the 5 cities selected in the ist phase is approached and asked to volunatarily contribe. This exercise would not only provide us funds but also provide platform to establish direct communication with the masses.
After the month-long fund-raising drive, student convention should be held simultaneoulsly in all 5 cities. In those conventions road map for the career progression in PTI be revealed for young members. All possible efforts be made to ensure that these conventions are largely attended by students. Cumulative figure of over 50 to 60 thousand would be great and would shift the media spot light on PTI again | | | |
| TALAS
Posts:69
Insaf Tiger
| | 29/04/2010 10:06 AM |
| | Making members is one thing and leading them is another. Imran Khan has motivated thousands of people to join PTI but he lacks the ability to lead them to a goal. He should pay more atention to his followers rather than convincing others to join PTI. These highly charged and motivated members needs direction towards the goal through developing organizational structure and election process within the party. | | | |
| Qadeer
Posts:629
Insaf Shaheen
| | 29/04/2010 3:28 PM |
| Mr zubair Ahsan Farooqi are u in your senses?
U r giving us map of MQM policies for PTI??????
WHat the hell you are talking about?
There is nothing in MQM which we should follow.
ZUBAIR Sahib said  arty does not rely on financially strong individuals to provide funding:
Why should they rely on any individuals?
Karachi main Ramzank mmehny main Fitraanaa har ghar ko daina hota hai MQM ko. Agr nhe do to dhmkean/ Karachi main rehna hai ya nhe rehna?
Karachi main Laakhun ki taadaad main qurbaane hote hai sub ki khaal MQM k paas.. people of Karachi has no right. Kiss ko khaal daine hai ? MQM ko dainy pary ge.
Factory sy Bhta still chl raha hai.
Why thy rely on any indivdual? This is the reason.
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U WANT PTI TO DO THE SAME THING?
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| Qadeer
Posts:629
Insaf Shaheen
| | 29/04/2010 3:33 PM |
| On your rest of the post Im agree with u. Talat is rite aswell.
Member banana kaafe nhe. un ko lay k chlna bare baat hai. hum aisy loog nhe k MQM ki trah Gun point pay saath lay k chalin logun ko. Party chhrain to Qatal kar dain MQM ki trah. PTI aise nhe. | |
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| kkamalx
Posts:157
Insaf Shaheen
| | 29/04/2010 5:30 PM |
| | Success of MQM was also due to having the right idea at the right time, but I agree their org. skills and community work is also very good and vast. I wonder if Altaf Hussain and MQM will have the same success if they started today. Open question?? However PTI is also focusing more on the rural areas instead of urban, the rural areas are hard. They are controlled by a feudal lord in one way or another. Plus we are lacking direction due to confused leadership. Imran Khan is a very charged individual and inspirational too, we can all look at his success in cricket and then his success in social work. But for some reason he makes too many rash decisions when it comes to politics. I still say that our close association with JI is hurting us, specially in urban areas. On one hand we condemn MQM for its violence, then we go and sit with JI. I mean these people are as violent as anybody, Imran Khan himself has experienced their violence first hand when they roughed him up in Punjab University. Plus the recent incident where JI student wing people went and beat up a Punjab University professor. This sets very bad and confusing perception about PTI. We have a lack of top tier leader ship. After Imran Khan there is mainly Dr. Arif Alvi who I think is great and I like him a lot. After him is Dr. Shirin Mizari. The top tier is very thin, there is no effort in building a second tier leadership which can eventually get promoted to top tier after party election. Another factor is, we don't have many friends in media either. Majority of them don't take us seriously. Reasons are many, some are biased, some due to our failures and rash decisions. BTW MQM is not the only party representing Urban middle class, I think ANP also represents urban middle class up to some level. But as far as this forum goes, no one from the top leadership pays any attention to us or this forum. In fact on some occasions I have been told to just shut up and keep contributing money. Let me see how they put it, IK dosent have that much time to take suggestions from all, its better to just donate money and stop giving him useless advice. I was so turned off by that, I didn't logon to PTI website for a long long time. But then I figured, who knows that might be the sentiment of one idiot not IK. There is very low tolerance for voices of decent, as soon as you say something you are either labeled chamcha of other party or an agent/spy. If we keep continuing like this, there is very little hope for the growth of PTI. I do like your ideas about expansion of PTI, specially selling PTI merchandise, it can be a great fund raising thing for PTI. I also think you are right that we should concentrate more on the Urban centers and to begin with educational institutions. Maybe once we have these group of PTI student workers we can hold elections on that level and make regional heads. | | | |
| Muazzmy007
Posts:170
Insaf Shaheen
| | 29/04/2010 10:31 PM |
| | am agree TALAS.. if IK give attention to his current members which will increase our members may be more than he struggles........ but i don't think he will think about it........ we are 0 in this way...... we are loosing current members and running to make new........ | |
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| zubair Ahsan Farooqi
Posts:20
Insaf Activist
| | 30/04/2010 2:23 AM |
| Dear Mr. Qadir, I have clearly mentioned that MQM deos resort to Bhatta which is henious crime and PTI doesn't need to use intimidation for fund-raising. I assure you once our well-trained teams of youth are out on the streets to do fund-raising, a good deal of money would fill our cofers since people trust Imran Khan.
Regarding popularity of MQM, I have spent few years in Karachi studing in IBA and i know that despite its strong arm tactics, MQM is very popular among Karachites. Reason being its leadership belongs to educated urban middle class. MQM doesn't rely on electables. Similarly in cities we ought to have dedicated, educated and honest young men running for MNA and MPA seats. As for villages and small towns we must find electables but with clean past. | | | |
| insafkiawaz
Posts:780
Insaf Shaheen
| | 30/04/2010 3:08 AM |
| @
farooqi
Just curious to know what is your position in MQM? are you sector incharge or belong to their media team?
to admins: all restrictions are for PTI members and no notice of MQM bloggers who invaded this site ( there is a group of 4-5) and they are allowed to post and whole discussion on this site from last 3 days is revolving around one point "that MQM is role model and we should follow them"
Farooqi, Kkalimax (or something like that) , Asif_Malik etc. have joined this site and started promoting MQM here ,
you are very willing to give website space to MQM gang and all restrictions are for PTI members..welldone
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| Mirza-Sarmad
Posts:44
Insaf Activist
| | 30/04/2010 5:58 AM |
| This is a warning to PTIans and our website administrators
Following 3 individuals made their IDs few days back and are on pay roll list of MQM..I am from Karachi and I am avidly aware of dirty MQM tactics.
Kkamilx
Asif malik
Farooqi
They r MQM agents. | | | |
| Kali_Dal
Posts:23
Insaf Activist
| | 30/04/2010 6:15 AM |
| dafa karo mqm ko..... aur uss ky karkonon ko....
first keep our house in order....... new structure of pti like ......KHAN PHIR SY SHOROO KARY GA....
how many times pti done that..... i am sure when ever group of 4 people in top pti leadership felt threathened, they done it to save their selves....
its like a four man show..... | | | |
| majeedraja
Posts:343
Insaf Shaheen
| | 30/04/2010 7:22 AM |
| Dear All,
I fully agree with Farooqui Sahab, what he is saying about MQM is truth, I am a Punjabi and member of PTI for last three years. I studied in Karachi and familiar with the way of politics of MQM.
We all must not criticize anyone who differs with majority of us. There are always lessons learned from other's experiences.
We must bring our weaknesses in front and try to convert these into our stregnth by mutual discussions and I will insisit by confronting.
Best Wishes to all brothers. | |
Majeed Aslam Raja
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| surryia
Posts:1
Insaf Member
| | 30/04/2010 7:25 AM |
| | We have joined PTI as we trust our party leader. Most of the young people are fed up with the old politicians and their undemocratic behaviour which included not to bear any opposition. If we want to become mature and democratic we have to learn to respect others point od views too. If we are for INSAF we must try to get into power with our actions and volunteerism and not throwing dirt on any part .This was the custom in the past. Every party has done something wrong.PTI has to be tested. We are joining with a hope. Imran Khan has an open mided brain and talks intellectually and has respect for other's views also. If some people like MQM they have reasons whatever they are. You can not undermine people's good work. Nothing has been proved as yet just like NRO cases and Benazir's murderer is hiding behind the government. We have to wait and win the people sensibly not by puling their legs. When the time of election comes , may be that we have to use a lot of methods. We have to start concentrating on the villages and their primary schools education which changes the home culture and family manners. The latest research shows that and European govets are allocating more money in primary school activities to bring a change at home. Parents follow their young ones more and get involved in their playful activities more than the teengers activities. Lets bring a change in the life of villages through a vibrant life of our primary schools in the villages and increase our voters | | | |
| zubair Ahsan Farooqi
Posts:20
Insaf Activist
| | 30/04/2010 7:32 AM |
| It is pitty that a piece of writing that was intended to convey my thoughts on how to harness the power of youth to strengthen PTI has been understood differently by some members of this forum including Mr. INSAFKIAWAZ who have blinkered view of the world around them. Rather than engaagin in healthy conversation for making PTI stronger organization, they start hurling allegations which is unjustified.
As a matter of fact let me again state that I am highly critical of violent brand of MQM politics which I have already mentioned. There is no doubt that this organization has for so long terrorized the citizens of Karachi and hence we all rightly abhore its methods.
But this is not the point here. Point to ponder is how to create space for young, educated and honest leadership that our youth feel connected to. I just suggested ways of mobilizing youths and integrating the students in our organization because I firmly believe in the abilities of our youth and think that right now we have failed to utilized their potential. | | | |
| kkamalx
Posts:157
Insaf Shaheen
| | 30/04/2010 9:39 AM |
| | I rest my point, this guy infsaf kiawaz or what ever is one of those people who can't accept a different point of view. This guy thinks he is the only follower of pti. Ignore this guy, but i agree, pro mqm or any other party comments should be filtered. As such hateful comments should also be filtered. site is for pti ideas and thoughts, it should be maintained that way. | | | |
| kkamalx
Posts:157
Insaf Shaheen
| | 30/04/2010 4:18 PM |
| @ Mirza
You know everything don't you, like I created my ID few days back. Dude I have been a PTI member since last 2 years, my ID is 2 years old. I have been donating money to IK cause on both fronts (political and social) for way more then 2 years. So don't speak ill about others, specially without any certain knowledge. If Admins search my posting they will find it going as far back as 2 years. I post on this forum every now and then, but definitely get really put off by people like you. Who see agents every where. I praise good things in PTI and condemn bad, whats wrong with that??? | | | |
| kkamalx
Posts:157
Insaf Shaheen
| | 30/04/2010 4:23 PM |
| | Ohh another thing, people who think anyone who criticizes IK is a agent or ghadar, well they will fit right in MQM. So maybe PTI is the wrong party for them. Because from what I hear Altaf Hussain cant be criticized either. I consider IK to be a human being who some times makes mistakes and they should be pointed out, because he is leading a movement for a change. | | | |
| Faisalabad
Posts:401
Insaf Shaheen
| | 01/05/2010 2:38 AM |
| | Bhai Khan sb is not serious in PTI as i have seen because Ex Jamat e Islami and Ex Army people in PTI are making wrong policies. This is the time to prepare for election and we started drama of re organization of PTI on provincial level. what the hell we are doing? is this politics? how we can compete MQM? do we have that level of motivation? Aik chota ssa member bhi agr chahy to 5 mints men Altaf Hussain sy bat kr skta hy Hum log soch bhi nahi skty Imran Khan sy bat krna...this is the difference motivation kahan sy ay gi?????? is trha parties nahi chaalti | |
No More Bad reputed people in PTI Please
People will vote for Change Not for those who CHANGE parties. | |
| Faisalabad
Posts:401
Insaf Shaheen
| | 01/05/2010 2:45 AM |
| | PTI ka manshor hamary District offices men nahi hy party kya khak chalain gy hum log????????? karkun kis liay imran khan k liay jan dy ga? koi motivation nahi hy party k pas....lack of plannign hy PTI men hum sara fund and efforts Lahore and Islamabad per lga rahy hen jahan koi faida nahi hy PTI koaisy areas per focus krna chahiay jahan dosri parties ki leadership weak hy like Faislabad, Rahim Yar Khan SUmandri Kamalia Tandilian wala SUmandri etc minimum time men maximum seats win ki ja skti hen in areas men leadership deploy krni chahiya Khan ko in areas men focus krna or time dena chahiay | |
No More Bad reputed people in PTI Please
People will vote for Change Not for those who CHANGE parties. | |
| insafkiawaz
Posts:780
Insaf Shaheen
| | 01/05/2010 4:23 AM |
| @
mqm people Kaliamax and farooqui
i am happy that you people have united, i am ready to debate with PTI members that how to take party forward and we are working on it but MQM people have no right to waste site space here
for you people it is out of question that we follow MQM facsist ideology and run party in mafia style and take votes from people on gun point ..
you cant fool people by declaring yourself PTI supporters , everybody knows what agenda you are promoting here , and i will be there to confrot MQM goons on this forum
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| sufghan
Posts:585
Insaf Shaheen
| | 01/05/2010 6:31 AM |
| | For PTI to move forward Intra Party elections asap are an absolute must. | | | |
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