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insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
 | | 02/09/2010 2:14 AM |
| 40 people lost their lives in suicide attacks in Lahore on a Shiites procession memorizing Martyrdom of Ali (A.S) on 21st of Ramdan.
Lashkar e Jhangvi militant wing of Sipha e Sahaba Pakistan and an allie of Talibans claimed responsibility , not surprisingly, because this group`s agenda is to attack other sects and particulary Shites.
Some weeks ago, terrorists attacked sufi shrine of Ali Hajveri aka Data Ganj Baksh in Lahore. Same secterian outfits carried out that attack
why terrorists are able to hit time and again, well, because they have sympathisers in Govt, ISI, political parties, Judiciary and media
ISI still protecting some secterian and Jihadi outfits "Ta Kay Be-Waqat Zaroorat Kam Aaein" and still sticking to redundant and failed theory of Good Talibans , Bad Talibans, thus providing safe heavens to terrorist groups to grow and strike time and again
Punjab Govt. particulary Rana Sana Ullah released terrorists belonging to LJ from Jails in order to get support of SSP during bi-elections in Jhang, much have been written about that already, being the law minister he also facilitate criminals to get released by not properly prosecuting the case against terrorists for his political gains
Khawja Sharif Judiciary only give relief to Sharif family and to Talibans..Khawja has released number of terrorists in recent months , may be due to his affiliations with N league or may be a hidden Fanatic is hidden inside Khawja as well
in media people like Hamid Mir protects terrorists by spreading false propoganda ( his conversation with Usman Punjabi a member of Punjabi Taliban , LJ is proof for his sympathies with Talibans) , Mir and other pro taliban right wingers always try to safe their friends by systematically glorifying terrorists and with their dis information campaign
and parties like Jamat e Islami are always there to bring their nonsense conspiracy theories after each attack
and last but not least despite having a lot of good qualities Imran Khan cannot see beyond the dark glasses which he borrowed from JI, Shireen Mazari and Hamid Gul, after each attack his logic is same "Humein pata Nahi Hay ", now LJ; TTP and SSP should phone IK before carrying attacks so that "Ab Humein Pata Chala Hay"
and after each such attack Jihadi cult (pro JI; pro Taliban, pro Khawrij) of this website disappear and after few days appear with long posts to prove that they are highly moral people and start giving their lectures
on 21st Ramdan 40 Ah Abdul Rahman Ibne Muljam a Kharji attacked Hazrat Ali (AS) with his knife , present day Kharjis are keeping traditions of their forefathers alive , at that time Kharjis also used name of Islam to kill Caliph and other muslims and today also they have same ideology
May Allah save Humanity from terrorism of Khawrij and from disinformation spreaded by their supporters
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| majeedraja
Posts:341
Insaf Shaheen
| | 02/09/2010 4:52 AM |
| @Dear Insafkiawaz Bhai,
1000 times agreed with you.
We as PTI condemn this inhumane act of terrorism. We as PTI must condemn these band groups.We cant say that this incident happend due to Pakistan's participation on War on Terror. | |
Majeed Aslam Raja
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| wbuttar
Posts:1753
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 02/09/2010 5:24 AM |
| We will not allow terrorists to do these coward acts. Rehman Malik (as terrorists sought his permission before their attacks).
I do not think any human can support these acts of killing innocent citizens in any form and by anyone. But what can we do. Will we use atomic bomb to eradicate terrorists alongwith whole areas. Surely not? because our society is being radicalised thanks to our current and previous rulers. So one have to address the root cause and unfortunately we cannot address this while working on international agenda and this brutal war will go on and on and there is no end......... This corrupt rulling eilite atleast give us the opportunity of condemnation without solution. | |
God help those, who help themselves.
"Badlo Bure Nizam Ko, Vote Do Imran Ko" | |
| omerzaheer
Posts:705
Insaf Shaheen
| | 02/09/2010 5:42 AM |
| | Totally condemn it | |
Kind Regards,
Omer Zaheer Meer
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| amajid.malik
Posts:349
Insaf Shaheen
| | 02/09/2010 6:39 AM |
| Nations have to face the consequences of the policies adopted by its ruling elite and influential people. Our past and present rulers ,military, journalists,intellectuals,judiciary,police , madrsa molvis and jazbati awam ,everyone is part of creating this mess to one extent or the other. Unfortunately, there have been issues on our borders with Afghanistan and India all the time,some forced on us and other created by us .Instead of caring for our own millions which are below poverty line,we always tried to become a player in international chess. Zia ploicy, Kahmir militancy,Taliban support, no cocrete action againt sectarian groups have already prepared the ground but situation was still under control.
The 2004 opeation and Musharraf's failed policy in tribal belt proved to be a tipping point of large scale terrorism in Pakistan. Later Swat was deliberately allowed to be occupied by extremits.AlQaeda, people who want revenge, those who want Islamic state, those kashimri militant who are holding gun back at us for "betraying" them, sectarain groups and those who hate American presence in Afghanist and its allies (including Pakistan) are now operating against the state of Pakistan. They may be helping each other in different ways intentionally or unintentionally.
Now what we have is a monster created by our own follies to a large extent and it is easy for any enemy to deal with it as and if she wants. I for one don not believe that this monster is operating totally on its own. There is a method in this madness which shows that there are string pullers somewhere in our own back yard and/or abroad.
Many issues and emotions have got mixed resulting in this monster. Some have to be dealt intelligently and other by brute force. What I am noticing is lack of seriousness (Rana Sana releasing some SSP men) and even incompetence to deal with this issue on government's part. As for as military is concerned, Why on earth the much boasted army and as they say it one of the best intelligence agency is unable to come up with some concrete plan to stop all this. Either they are incapable/inefficient or there is some deliberate attempt to move the pawns in a certian way. Why are we losing it at our own home ground if we are really serious in eradicating it. Either there is something wrong with the strategy or we are incapable.
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| hassas
Posts:875
Insaf Shaheen
| | 02/09/2010 9:56 AM |
| | Even as of today, people who call themselves Muslims (edited) and our famous islamic scholars publish such book in which they try to deny the sacrifices of Ahl-e-Bait-e-Karam. I remember a long discussion In Takbeer daily in which Shah Bleeghuddin Marhoom was talking against the agreed Ahl-e-Bait's list and Syed Rizwan Nadvi was defending it. Shah was not buying the Punjtan Pak theory at all. Besides Shah Bleeghudding and his Ustaz-e-Mohtaram who denied always the Waqia-e-Karbala, Similary Dr. Shabbir Ahmed from USA published a book in which he totally denied the " Waqia-e-Karbla and interesting thing was that this book was highly praised by son of Allama Iqbal. Go google it, you'll find the book " Karbala ke Haqeeqat".
I believe the Kirdaar of our Ulema and some politicians are not good in this regard.
My point of view is that we need to call Shia and Sunni only " School of thoughts", not Firqaas anymore. All others forces who try to negate them should be condemned.
On the otherhand I would expect the leadership of Sunni Ulema and Shia Ulema who come on the roads for mourning or for Eid-e-Meeladun Nabi. they should pospone the road processions for a specific time as this is not the right time for them to celeberate or mourn this way.
they can use their Imam Bargahs, or Big Masajids and get a heavy security there. Coming on the road make them more vulnerable and open to the attackers. | | | |
| nabiha.chauhdry
Posts:23
Insaf Activist
| | 02/09/2010 11:28 AM |
| In all this highly tragic state of our country, is the media playing its sad music and dramatizing the tears and cries of the aggrieved families!
INHUMAN AND DEPLORABLE!
I sometimes stop to think, the bombers and planners r not humans fine, but are these people human who make a show out of deaths and emotions?
Isn't the media snatching the severity and sensitivity of the issues from us n making us immune to all these by making such a film out of it? Disgusting!
Show the reality, but WITHOUT the sad music and actors like Dr.AL etc :s PLEASE! | | | |
| insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
| | 03/09/2010 2:58 AM |
| we cant put all garbage of terrorism under the carpet of "Oh Amrekia Afghanistan Mein Hay, Koi Pata Nahi Hay, Bera Gharaq Ho Gaya hAy", Mein Keh raha Hoon..
I mean no body with some brain now even bother to listen these sentences after secterian killings, it is clear regardless of that attack is on mosques , sufi shrines or processions or shopping centers,,some people have four five sentences to utter without even bothering where attack has took place and what is motivation behind attack..
there is a extremist group which thinks all other sects are "kafir" and this takfeeri ideology motivate them to kill others
mark my words: "Amrika Afghanistan say Chala Bhi gaya Tu Bhi Yeh Secterian Terrorism Jary Rahay Gi balkay barhay Gi, Ta Waqt Kay Is Ka Koi Hal Na Nikala gaya"
Secterian terrorism started in late 80s , well before 9/11 or Musharraf
@hasaas
Bhai this is not Shia Vs Sunni issue..this is Kharjis vs Humanity issue now...Kharjis have their history , would be too much to write here but these present terrorist groups have very strong similarities with Khawrij
@nabiha
thats true that our media is not mature till now, they glorify not only terrorists but also their acts
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| majeedraja
Posts:341
Insaf Shaheen
| | 03/09/2010 6:28 AM |
| | This secretarian killing has no relation with American war in Afghanistan. | |
Majeed Aslam Raja
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| sabihafazal
Posts:222
Insaf Shaheen
| | 03/09/2010 6:55 AM |
| | So much tragic. | | | |
| hassas
Posts:875
Insaf Shaheen
| | 03/09/2010 8:07 AM |
| @insafkiawaz
Many people in this world are have harsh Nazariyat similar to Kharjaites, I agree and we condems all Kharjaites and their Harsh Nazariyat. | | | |
| TheYouth
Posts:76
Insaf Tiger
| | 04/09/2010 2:39 AM |
| | Let's get this all clear. The enemies of Pakistan are trying to divide the country!!! And these are such tactics, NO MUSLIM does this!! The saying goes, "divide and conquer". Every Pakistani should realize and understand what is going on. We need to be critical with our thinking. Don't jump to conclusions, it's a complicated world! They want to break a civil war!! WAKE UP PEOPLE! Don't fight amongst each other! Please try to understand what's going on! I feel soo sorry for all the innocent people that get caught up in this, may ALLAH save us and protect us! The people who commit such acts are HEARTLESS COWARDS! | |
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government. Let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution, so, the second will not become the legalized version of the first."
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