TheYouth
Posts:76
Insaf Tiger
 | | 04/09/2010 9:15 PM |
| ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!
What the hell is wrong with these voters??????? They are still voting for a PPP candidate????? So fake degree holder is disqualified, and the winner issssssssss HIS WIFE!!!! Ummm, let's see, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that actually the fake degree holder has won the seat again!!!!
This has messed up my day for good! I can't believe these voters, what are they bribed or something??
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Moazam Ali
Posts:449
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 04/09/2010 9:57 PM |
| The Youth,
there is plenty wrong with these voters but what can they do or should have they done,did anyone give them a better alternative,did anyone reach out to them,did any one challenged these people whom you think should not have been voted,these people have to improve thier thinking and get realisation and awareness but first thing is to do all the right things yourself as a political party,we have hopes from PTI,where was PTI,why did it not contest,why did it surrender without puting up a fight,why did it run away,even geting 1 vote or 0 votes is better than Surrender,
Is this not all about Imran Khan,is this not what we stand for that fight till the last ball,always give your 100% results dont matter,that we should learn from our mistakes and get better by geting experience,that never give up without a fight,actually that is what Imran Khan is all about but not the local leaderships in every area,we as common people are not giving Imran Khan an opportunity to put up a good candidate,we are not giving him any good choice,we have left the field open and unopposed for Incompetent,coorupt,Immoral and Selfish people within our own party and the country,and than PTI does the same in elections,then we criticise Imran Khan for not coming up with a good candidate,
elections come few and far in between there are alot of expectations from them but if this is the attitude than i dont know what to do,if someone thinks this is the way(elections) to bring change than every election has to be contested.
but really i am only wasting my time,no one is going to listen,no one is going to respond,i have been talking about this issue for sometime and started a poll as well but see the response yourself:
http://www.insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/postid/90537/view/topic/Default.aspx
I have been amazed by some nonsense,illogical and ridiculous thoughts over the past few weeks on this forum that people who are involved with PTI through this website or other sources of internet are not at the grassroots,they are not on ground,this is a mindset that has developed in some people on this forum,they dont realise the importance of those who are involved with PTI by whatever means,there reach and thier potential effectiveess,i was thinking about discussing that issue by starting a topic on the forum but than felt its of no use.anyways that is separate issue i might discuss it at some stage.
Moazam Ali
member of PTI from Islamabad
Vote Registration Campaign
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Oojee
Posts:90
Insaf Tiger
| | 04/09/2010 11:22 PM |
| | 75,000 votes for PPP ???!!! in logon ka dil nahi bhara PPP kay hathoon pakistan ki tabahi daikh kay... they want more! | | | |
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madeel
Posts:1927
Insaf Shaheen
Web Management
| | 05/09/2010 12:23 AM |
| @ TheYouth
The message is that voters' disappointment with PML-N is much greater than with PPP. NS is playing a test match but in reality it is now T20. Moreover, PML-N crack down on media made many believed that PML-N is a greater risk to democratic norms than PPP. You actually have asked the wrong question. Correct question would be why PTI is becoming a boycott party? Why our leadership fear to lose? | | | |
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zeenor
Posts:85
Insaf Tiger
| | 05/09/2010 2:50 AM |
| | What the hell wrong with the people? 75000 votes?? What PPP has did over 3 years? I think the Bhutto factor kills the people's thinking and understanding power. They keep mourning the about the inefficiency of the govt but when times come to vote they forget each and everything. | | | |
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agrarian
Posts:361
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/09/2010 4:39 AM |
| | انتخابی سیاست میں کامیابی کے دو طریقے ہو سکتے ہیں،ایک تو یہ کہ پیسے کے زور پر پارلیمنٹ میں پہنچا جائے،دوسرا یہ کہ نظریاتی سیاست کے ذریعے عوامی شعور کو بیدار کیا جائے۔تحریک انصاف کے معاشی وسائل کی جو صورتحال ہے وہ تمام کارکنان جانتے ہیں، دوسرا یہ کہ پیسے کے زور پر ہونے والی سیاست تبدیلی لا بھی نہیں سکتی۔اب جہاں تک نظریاتی سیاست کی بات ہے، اس کے لیے پارٹی کو گلی گلی محلہ محلہ نظریاتی کارکن چاہییں، دانشور اور شاعر ادیب چاہییں،ایک منظم اور جارح سیاسی مشینری چاہیے۔تحریک انصاف کے پاس ان لوازمات میں سے کیا ہے???ایسے میں پیپلز پارٹی اور ن لیگ نہ جیتیں تو اور کیا ہو???? | | | |
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Che Guevera
Posts:625
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 05/09/2010 4:40 AM |
| I was talking to to a few relatives yesterday and this is exactly what came up....Are we a boycott party?? To me it seems that after Lahore elections and Sargodha fiasco,party leadership has lost confidence. Imran seems to leave this decision( to contest or boycott) on the local leadership who invariably tend to go for boycott.No one will admit that this is the weakness of our party but they will blame it on Election Commission and other factors.
On the other hand if there is any election in Lahore I am sure we will put a candidate since the local leadership is very aggressive.
At this time we can pick and choose our battles( constituencies ) but this luxury will not be available in general elections. I think we must contest at least 2 elections in South Punjab. There are upcoming elections in Pakpattan( I think 2 of them) and even if we loose we can still do a good practice. In order to become a party of change we have to break the shackles of fear,uncertainty and lack of direction.
Last thing if I may suggest to the members of this forum is to avoid intra party conflicts on this website and focus more on pressing issues that we are facing as party and as a nation. If we win ,it will be a win for all of us( not one group of PTI) and if we loose it will be a loss for all of us. | | | |
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insafkiawaz
Posts:769
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/09/2010 4:47 AM |
| | you are all wrong , votes r not for PPP, an influental person's wife won the election, in villages parties does not matter..simple as that | | | |
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Barlas
Posts:202
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/09/2010 4:54 AM |
| @madeel
The answer to your question is: So far, PTI is a social party not a political party, away from the ground realities, idealistic not realistic, lack of political wisdom, waiting for a miracle to happen when the chairman will lead the revolution to bring revolutionary changes from top to bottom in Pakistan.
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hymahmood
Posts:23
Insaf Activist
| | 05/09/2010 10:28 AM |
| there are lot of reason in the win of PPP,,
..................Dahandli is the main reason
..................that area is sort of rural area.
..................most of the votes were personality votes.
..................people dont have any honest alternative candidates.
instead of criticizing others PTI should play its roll and there must be the candidate for every election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | | |
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madeel
Posts:1927
Insaf Shaheen
Web Management
| | 05/09/2010 10:58 AM |
| @Barlas
PTI has changed quite a bit since 2007. It has taken a string pragmatic route rather than idealistic one. An idealist would have said that defeat won't matter; the worst kind f fear is fear to lose. In contrast, a pragmatic would pay attention to fear to lose; he or she woul like to put up a better show than before or would not contest at all. So it is not idealism, but (excessive?) pragmatism which is making us boycotting party.
If we are not willing to offer people any alternative, we can't blame them either!!... | | | |
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dr.arsam
Posts:124
Insaf Shaheen
| | 05/09/2010 5:13 PM |
| | Problem with PTI rite now is that Not many ppl r coming forward to take part in elections from our platform..There may b many crooked who want to participate but it has been difficult to find someone strong from southern punjab...An independent election commission can solve this problem..Guys we have to understand that in those areas in present system only the WADAIRA and DAKU are gonna win becuase entire villages are under their control inculding Police...The party having the stronger candidate wins...doesnt matter if its PPP or PML(N) or PML(Q) or PTI if we wanna compromise our ideology...Thts why we r expecting Supreme court to give its verdict on our case and make an independent election commission...Do u think getting 2000 votes in these sham by-elections will help...dont thnk so..What it will do is that our wrkers wrking on ground will get frightened and join some other party... | | | |
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noman
Posts:236
Insaf Shaheen
| | 06/09/2010 2:52 AM |
| plz aesy topic start kar k ish qoam ko jagany ki koshish na karen ...
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اب کے گر زلزلے آئے تو قیامت ہو گی میرے دلگیر،مرے درد کے مارے لوگو کسی غاصب،کسی ظالم،کسی قاتل کے لیے خود کو تقسیم نہ کرنا میرے سارے لوگو... احمد فراز | |
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Leader.
Posts:1636
Insaf Shaheen
| | 06/09/2010 5:28 AM |
| @madeel
I don't agree with you that it is the fear that is keeping PTI away from elections. I have already mentioned many times before (and through a very reliable source) that money is the main problem. You know how much money is required to contest an election. Only source of money for PTI is donations and people are not donating much for PTI and more than half of these donations goes missing (or wasted on personal promotions from some of party leadership).
Also in current circumstance when IK is focusing totally on flood relief, I don't think participation in election at this stage is an option for us. | | | |
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Sohailafzal
Posts:340
Insaf Shaheen
| | 07/09/2010 11:55 AM |
| @Moazam ali,
well done brother you are spot on.I hope we can get people like you in thousands and then only we will be able to make a difference.
Until now i thought i am the lone voice in PTI.Our guys will bash the other leaders and expect e people to vote for PTI just because others are bad.Now the conclusion they have drawn from the ppp win is that the voters are JAAHIL.
How can people vote for a party who considers them ignorant.They don't want to trust people but want very same people to vote for them.
They boycott the elections and then complain that people don't want to vote for them.They ask for mid term elections because the think it is going to solve all the problems but refuse to participate in them.
We are a democratic party without any democrats in it.Instead of looking at ourselves we point fingers at others and feel very proud.
May allah help us before helping others. | | | |
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Moazam Ali
Posts:449
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 07/09/2010 9:17 PM |
| Sohailafzal,
Thankyou for your kind words and understanding the point.you are right and if this is the attitude than how can we expect elections within the party.
There are many lone voices around it is just about discovering them,bringing them together and uniting them to be effective.I think if we can do it collectively puting in a united effort than we can make a difference.effectiveness is only possible through unity not individual efforts.
Such Support and help for each other is very important in keeping the hopes alive,in keeping one going,it gives encouragement,it keeps the spirits high.
Since 5 september there has been good response for the poll which i mentioned in my previous post over here,that is 10 'yes' votes in 3 days.it is now 29 'Yes' and 6 'no'.
Moazam Ali
member of PTI from Islamabad
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majeedraja
Posts:341
Insaf Shaheen
| | 08/09/2010 4:54 AM |
| Dears,
As we all know where problem lies, then why we can not fix it? We are very weak as an organization. as Agrarian said
انتخابی سیاست میں کامیابی کے دو طریقے ہو سکتے ہیں،ایک تو یہ کہ پیسے کے زور پر پارلیمنٹ میں پہنچا جائے،دوسرا یہ کہ نظریاتی سیاست کے ذریعے عوامی شعور کو بیدار کیا جائے۔تحریک انصاف کے معاشی وسائل کی جو صورتحال ہے وہ تمام کارکنان جانتے ہیں، دوسرا یہ کہ پیسے کے زور پر ہونے والی سیاست تبدیلی لا بھی نہیں سکتی۔اب جہاں تک نظریاتی سیاست کی بات ہے، اس کے لیے پارٹی کو گلی گلی محلہ محلہ نظریاتی کارکن چاہییں، دانشور اور شاعر ادیب چاہییں،ایک منظم اور جارح سیاسی مشینری چاہیے۔تحریک انصاف کے پاس ان لوازمات میں سے کیا ہے???ایسے میں پیپلز پارٹی اور ن لیگ نہ جیتیں تو اور کیا ہو
This is the crux, Please Dr. Alvi Sb, only your three months required forPTI organization building. With this organization we cant even win three or four seats. | |
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kkamalx
Posts:157
Insaf Shaheen
| | 08/09/2010 4:30 PM |
| | Good for PPP, electoral process works. I think Altaf Hussein should get his answer now, people don't want revolution or Army. | | | |
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wbuttar
Posts:1753
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 14/09/2010 2:44 AM |
| @majeedraja
Agreed. | |
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