funkichunki
Posts:395
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
 | | 28/12/2007 8:48 AM |
| by the way , ppl who went for HAJJ are stukk and r not able to come bak to pakistan.
incoming flights have been cancelled and outgoing flights too cuz flight crews cant get to work due to roits and gas stations being shut down.
chek out death toll around the country and the property damage.. wud you be able to go to wrk?
im pretty sure thats why IK is stuck and cudnt come back on time | | | |
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funkichunki
Posts:395
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 28/12/2007 8:52 AM |
| chek out wats going on in swat 2 more politicians have been killed. in a bomb blast.
and al qaeed has taken responsibility for BB assassination but media is saying that these reports are un official FBI reports | | | |
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shalimar
Posts:569
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 9:06 AM |
| I am in the USA and did not hear any statement
issued by Imran Khan. Can any one re-print
his statement or direct us to a website where we can read it?
BB's tragic death is national loss for Pakistan. We may not agree with her decision to make a deal with Musharrf but her assasination was unwarranted and must be condemned. We must not
allow any one to resolve political differences through guns and bombs.
As far as Imran Khan's reaction goes, I think he
should have been more vocal and should have shown
some statesmanship to express his sympathy with
the leadership and workers of PPP. One must recognize, despite her deal with Musharraf, BB was still the most popular political leader in Pakistan. Thousands of people were attending her
political rallies across Pakistan.
Nawaz Sharif did a very good job. We don't know his inner motives but exhibited a statesmanship
by arriving at the hospital and speaking to the media. He did the right thing at the right time.
This is an occasion of National Tragedy and we must put our differences aside for a larger goal, uniting the people, to fight the menace of terrorism, and for the restoration of democracy. Ik can show statesmanship by extending and open invitation to PPP for reconciliation and offer his full support in demanding a full, complete and thorough investigation of this heinous crime.
Ik will earn more respect from the people of Pakistan and will be helpful in uniting the different groups. Let us work together to honor
the ultimate sacrifice BB made for her country.
Best regards,
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moonzia100
Posts:12
Insaf Member
| | 28/12/2007 9:10 AM |
| @friendlyuser1
"Nawaz Sharif has proved himself as a true leader, a lion at heart, and has truely lived upto representative leadership by reaching the hospital and speaking his heart."
The criteria of becoming a lion is to weep in front of the camera? Pretty strange. The lion could not face the jail and went to SA after signing an agreement. The lion had the principle stand to boycott the elections but could not bear the pressure of the party workers and announced to participate. What kind of lion is he?
Benazir was a brave lady. Imran is a brave man. But NS, no way. May Allah rest Benazir's soul in peace. She was a smart, intelligent and brave woman. | | | |
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shanrizvi
Posts:59
Insaf Tiger
| | 28/12/2007 9:12 AM |
| First of all, I would like to say that it is very sad not because "she was a great leader" but just because it was a brutal act of terrorism. I condemn the act and I am worried because it can de-stabilize the country.
Also, I don't understand why people in Pakistan have such a short-term memory. Have can they forget that her government was dismissed TWICE on charges of corruption? Nevertheless, as all the parties accuse each other of corruption, money laundering etc., nobody knows for sure. I guess it will be safe to say that none of the people/parties that ruled were any good. I hate to say things like "Oh she took millions from the people" because frankly I have no evidence. Yes there are reports but there are such reports about everyone (Sharif, Bhutto, Musharraf). What I don't understand is, why don't people think about these things? What I dislike her for is the fact that she goes around claiming that Bangladesh was seperated because of the Army, which is not true! It is recorded in history that those were the only fair elections in the history of Pakistan (administered by a General) and it was Bhutto who threatened to break the legs of any person who went to Dhaka to attend the Assembly session. Why do people buy anything these leaders say? Why don't they try to find out information before forming an opinion? And by the way, I don't support the Army in any way. I just meant that it was Bhutto who was hungry for power and could not let the leadership go to East Pakistan. Instead of facing her cases in Pakistan, she flew to UK. She was on a SELF-IMPOSED exile. She ran away from the courts. It is weird how everyone has forgotten all this and is talking about her. I didn't read a single thing about the 30 other people who were killed by the suicide attack.
Similarly, I don't like accusing the Sharif brothers of money laundering either. Even though it is likely to be true, I don't need to depend on such an accusation to form an opinion. These brothers cannot even keep their word. Their actions are so obviously fake and manipulative. They made an agreement with the Saudi King and then went against it. In every statement, you can sense the intentions! For years, NS and Bhutto kept accusing each other and what not. I believe Imran did the right thing, there is no need to get emotional about these things and act like a hero to get public attention. For me, NS' visit to the hospital was more like a publicity stunt! He threatened to boycott the elections, but then he decided to take part in them. After what happened, my instant reaction was "PPP will get a lot of sympathy votes now and it is definitely going to win the elections". After a while I read that NS decided to boycott the elections. And now he is going to meet up with PPP leadership to talk about it. Can't anyone see it? It is so obvious!
It is even more annoying when these Sharif brothers aggressively make statements where they blame everything on the President! Accusations as naive as "oh, the price of atta has risen". Illiterate moron, its called inflation and its present everywhere in the world! Have people forgotten that while BB and NS played musical chairs with the leadership between 1988-1998, Pakistani currency sank! Infact I am not sure but I think these 10 years were the worst for the Pakistani rupee!
In 1985 : 1 US$ = 16.28 PKR
In 1995 : 1 US$ = 30.62 PKR
In 2000 : 1 US$ = 51.64 PKR
And lastly, as if there are no money laundering cases against the Sharifs?
It is ridiculous! | | | |
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NetEngr
Posts:226
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 9:14 AM |
| | Mulla has made the Fasad in Pakistan and no one is blaming them . | | | |
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Shake
Posts:146
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 9:24 AM |
| | Things are again changing. I hope for the better. (my humble opinion again) PPP will not pull out of the elections at this stage. With the corruption baggage that they have this is the only tim they can win elections. And if they win there is nothing we as PTI supporters can do we should acept that. I think if the elections are postponed for 40 days. and then an independent election comission is there then PTI should be part of the elections. But only if the other demands are met, jjudges, election comission and musharef must go. He is part of the problem not part of the solution. we should compare the pakistan of 1999 and the chaos of 2007. | | | |
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funkichunki
Posts:395
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 28/12/2007 9:34 AM |
| @shalimar
the statements issued by IK and other PTI leaders have been updated on the web site here. I am not sure if he was able to give out a statement on Indian media, we havent received any update on that. but the reason he wasnt visible on pakistani media is obviously because he isnt in the country. you will see that most vocal leaers about this incident were those who were going into elections. All of a dsudden after so many years altaf hussain is being heard n seen on the media as well.
In my personal opinion this could have something to do with the new PEMRA n all. altho hafiz hussain ahmed did show up on geo for a minute or so. I think that could be a reason for media being reluctant to connect to IK. | | | |
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shalimar
Posts:569
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 9:34 AM |
| Dear Shan Rizvi,
General Yahya Khan was the President and Chief Marshal
Law Administrator of Pakistan. He did not need Bhutto's
permission to convene the assembly in Dhaka. General Yahya is the only one who had the authority to resolve the East/West Pakistan crisis by political or military means. He had chosen to use military and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Bengalis. Bhutto was a political opponent of Sheik Mujib ur-Rehman but he had no power.
Blaming Bhutto for the separation of East Pakistan is not fair. Bhutto may have made some statements that may have contributed in deepening the crisis. However; some other political parties made statements against Sheikh Mujib- ur-Rehman too. But, the sole responsibility rested with General Agha Mohammed Yahya Khan, President and CMLA.
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Gujranwalia
Posts:403
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 9:47 AM |
| Shalimar
Read IK statement on MSN india website. He is going to be there tonight at the vigil held by NGOs in Mumbai.
Please understand what good it would make is some one goes to Larkana??? While the situation security wise is very uncertain and all the flights are canceled. And the IK is on establishment 's hit list amonst MQM and even Mr 10 percent??? | | | |
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Gujranwalia
Posts:403
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 9:52 AM |
| Shalimar,
ZAB was a great leader but it does not mean than he can walk free from his part of 1971 crisis.
He did his part although a small one but he did that was on the political front as a stateperson nothing else.
The major culprit was the establishment and generals.
Then again if the army should have allowed democracy in Pakistna to flourish then it might just not have had happened.
Similarly , I believe , BB was a great leader till Mr 10 percent ruined it all for her and for Bhutoo family.
Zardari is a chura.
BB became like " Razi ghundoo may puss gayee thee"
Zardari must also be blamed for her murder honestly. | | | |
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Gujranwalia
Posts:403
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 9:58 AM |
| 1971 Generals rigged the election big time to create bangaldesh.
They ensure that Awami league gets 99 % majarity in East Pakistan and in the West Pakistan ZAB get the majority seats in the parliament.
End result the dead lock and then partition.
A similar situation Pakistan nation faces now.
Army agian will rigg the elections with on party in majority all over Pakistan.
In sind it would be Terrorist MQM, PPP and PMLQ or N and karachi is lost to Terrorists MQM for ever now.
In punjab you will have PMLQ with ISI blessing
In NWFP, you will have JUI
In Bolochistan , no party in majority
So the country is once again heading towards keyos may be this time they want either sind or Karachi to go . Yeah the ISI the army. | | | |
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navedrana
Posts:151
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 10:11 AM |
| thats stupid of NS to be there at the hospital and for what. What was he doing there. and Why should IK have been at the hospital - to see her dead body. Everyone should strongly condemn these brutal asssasination and which IK and PTI did. These days as you know he is not getting any airime at all. those chicken TV gernalists. Now tell me how many of the those PPP leaders were there at the hospital - or yeah maybe Ik should have done the drama like your Altaf bhai did on the TV......
you are upset thats understanable- but you are behaving like those people who have burnt half or Karachi and hyderabad... | | | |
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NetEngr
Posts:226
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 10:39 AM |
| | Why no Ulema and JI condemn the killer ?????? | | | |
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friendlyuser1
Posts:121
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 4:20 PM |
| Iam disgusted and shocked beyond belief by the responses to my post.
People are twisting and manipulating the truth merely for their convenience of arguement. Here is my response to all the excuses.
IK & PTI STATEMENTS:
First of all the modified post of IK's statement done by host is a beautifully manipulated and changed "story". IK's original statement in quotation marks posted earlier did not demand an investigation. After I raised this through my post and got into a spat with the host, he changed the post and wrote a beautiful lengthy story to make it look like IK demanded the investigation. You will see no quotation marks where the host claims IK called for investigation and he mentions no sources to back his claim of information.
Dont believe me, no problem. Read the moderator's (funkichunki) last post. Even he admits the statements were "updated". Updated to suit our dissapointment is more like it.
Secondly here is the statement by PTI : No demand of any investigation
http://moveforjustice.org/News/tabid/60/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/697/Default.aspx
NAWAZ SHARIF:
Most people in the responses have acted as "GOD" and fortune telling baba'z claiming they know the true intentions of Nawaz and why he was at the hospital and why he wanted to attend the funeral.
Iam glad we have such pious and righteous, prestigious people amongst us who are capable of knowing others intentions and whats in their hearts.
Please dont act GOD People!
IMRAN COULDNT GET BACK:
People are so unfairly biased with their unconditional support to their leaders that they will make up any lie or any tale to manipulate the truth. All those who claim Imran couldnt come back because PIA flights cancelled, should know people have made it from Dubai and London. We have carriers other than PIA in Pakistan if anyone has ever travelled by air. Imran himself never even claimed he tried to get back.
IMRAN DID'NT WANT TO RISK HIS LIFE:
This is a hallarious excuse, If IK is afraid for his life, maybe he should wear bangles in his arms and sit indoors like MUSHY. Even a woman proved more courageous for not caring for her life. It is especially hillarious when people have typed death is written for everyone, if its written, why be afraid of it ? Ghanwa Bhutto was there, Nawaz and Qazi atleast wanted to go and expressed their dsire to go. I wonder who's courageous ?
LEADERSHIP & FUTURE STRATEGY:
Most members have conceded that IK has no strategy to deal with this tragedy.
@amajid.malik post is worth mentioning.
The moderator "funkichunki" has expressed his satisfaction with the fact that Musharraf has called for an APC. If we have to look at Musharraf to provide answers and leadership then whats IK's role in tragic events like this ? Couldnt IK urgently come back attend funeral, call APC ? If IK can take initiative for boycott why cant he take initiative for APC ?
FOR THOSE WHO DONT UNDERSTAND THE POINT:
Most people claim that it was a principled stand of IK not to attend the funeral. I think at a funeral or at a tragedy, political rivalries, principles should take a back seat to simple human and Islamic values of comapssion, humanity and brotherhood.
Its easy to say IK didnt attend coz she was corrupt and so on, but where is your compassion , where is the humanity, where is our brotherhood, If it was your own sister , brother or some relative who had a bad reputation , would you not goto their funeral even ? You people make differenced between your own sisters and her, because you are blinded by politics and you cant see or think about what our religion preaches.
Is this so hard to say for IK or any of you, "She was my sister, we had our differences, like in any family , but she was my sister as such I consider my duty to attend the funeral and concole and gather with her family"
ego, Pride and arrogance are satan's characteristics, remember when he refused to bow to Adam out of pride and ego ?
PEOPLE ASKING ME TO LEAVE PTI:
I am a member of PTI for Pakistan, not IK, but for the people, Iam afraid PTI is heading in the same direction as all other parties, where the leader is sorrounded with people who shower constant unconditional, self indulging praise, resulting in creating a gulf between the normal people's grievences and the leaders.
NO ONE IS PERFECT except ALLAH !
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:
@shalimar ! Dear brother, Your first post was the best mix of emotions in the responses. Thankyou for saying whats right | | | |
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shalimar
Posts:569
Insaf Shaheen
| | 28/12/2007 6:07 PM |
| friendlyuser1,
I admire your courage for speaking up and thank you for being so kind to my response. You have
some very valid points and PTI included Imran Khan should consider them. It would be nice if PTI moderator respond to your concerns and clarify the points raised in your messages.
At the same time, may I request you to give PTI and Imran Khan an opportunity to respond
and clarify things. I am confident that Imran Khan and PTI won't do some thing like this deliberatly.
They are not professional politicians and don't want to exploit such tragedy to make poltical gains. It may be an error of judgement on their part. I am not speaking on their behalf but being realistic
and humanistic. People do make mistakes. Some time intentionally and some time un-intentionally.
I have no doubt that it was not intentional.
Thank you and keep up the good work.
Best Regards,
Waqas
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host
Posts:1101
Insaf Shaheen
Admin, Strategy
| | 02/01/2008 3:13 AM |
| Posted By shalimar on 28/12/2007 6:07 PM
friendlyuser1,
I admire your courage for speaking up and thank you for being so kind to my response. You have
some very valid points and PTI included Imran Khan should consider them. It would be nice if PTI moderator respond to your concerns and clarify the points raised in your messages.
At the same time, may I request you to give PTI and Imran Khan an opportunity to respond
and clarify things. I am confident that Imran Khan and PTI won't do some thing like this deliberatly.
They are not professional politicians and don't want to exploit such tragedy to make poltical gains. It may be an error of judgement on their part. I am not speaking on their behalf but being realistic
and humanistic. People do make mistakes. Some time intentionally and some time un-intentionally.
I have no doubt that it was not intentional.
Thank you and keep up the good work.
Best Regards,
Waqas
I have already responded to friendlyuser1's allegations in the other thread he initiated on the same topic:
http://moveforjustice.org/Forum/tabid/53/view/topic/forumid/1/postid/19934/ptarget/19935/Default.aspx#19935
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