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MAJID786
Posts:56
Insaf Tiger
 | | 16/01/2013 2:58 PM |
| Molvi Sahibs Aqeedat? What aqeedat, i am in Great Britain for almost 30 years now, Minhaj ul Quran centres are every where here in uk, i personally never been to any of them, never liked Dr. Qadri, never watched his tv lectures, i can't stand fake PEERs. .Today i felt he is talking sense, and has taken the right action. It does not matter what he did or said in past, what is important what he is doing today, if this rule is correct for IK then it should be correct for Dr. qadri too.
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| incognito80
Posts:1802
Insaf Shaheen
| | 16/01/2013 3:17 PM |
| When IK did dharna in Peshawar against drones.. he slept under open sky.. on top of container... On the other hand.........
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| abdulmaalik
Posts:1178
Insaf Shaheen
| | 16/01/2013 4:05 PM |
| @MAJID786
First see Qamar Zaman Qaira's press conference and then comment.Does Qaira make sense? If not, why? Give some specific reasons?
Don't compare IK and Qadri.IK has struggled for 16 years and Qadri has landed on 23rd December 2012.Isn't it the difference in your eyes?You live in Great Britian for the last 30 years whereas I have born and raised in pakistan and I still live in pakistan.So, I better knows the difficulties that we Pakistanis have faced over the last 12 years, particularly the last five years when the guy who is making sense to you now was living a pleasant life in Canada.The solution is not to beseige Islamabad and make the life hell for the common citizens of Islamabad.Elections are just 2 months away, so vote out PPP and PMLN but don't put up the solutions that military dictators have been proposing to us over the last 65 years. | | | |
| shahjeegr8
Posts:9
Insaf Member
| | 16/01/2013 10:57 PM |
| I was strong supporter of PTI before Imran Khan's rejection of taking part in long march. Maine kaheen suna tha ke ager koi insan koi baat kahe tu yeh nahi dekhna chahiye ke koan keh raha hai balke yeh dekhna chahiye ke kia keh raha hai. TQ sb ki zaat apni jagah lakin woh ju batain ker rahe hain I am totally agree with him. They are all corrupt people and I am shocked to see that ke Imran Khan ju keh starting se "Change" ka slogan le ker manzar per aae thay unho ne in corrput politicians ke against long march main shirkat se inkaar ker dia hai.
Now I will never ever vote Imran Khan due to his double policy. He is totally confused aur jis wajah se sab logo ne unhain vote daine ka soch rakha tha I mean "To bring Change" ab aisa kuch nahi hai aur woh bhi sab se mil gae hain.
Good Bye PTI | | | |
| khanzaib
Posts:257
Insaf Shaheen
| | 17/01/2013 12:10 AM |
| | Shah jee g8... Vote is choice. Baat Kay bhi copy kar sakta hai.... Botany walay ki creditibilty zarorri.... Good luck to u.. | | | |
| abdulmaalik
Posts:1178
Insaf Shaheen
| | 17/01/2013 12:33 AM |
| @shahjeegr8
You are most welcome to do so. | | | |
| ajmal.choudhary
Posts:2888
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 17/01/2013 2:38 AM |
| @shahjeegr8
I don't really understand what do you mean by double policy of PTI.. PTI is the only party in Pakistan who always stick to its policy that Change can only come through free and fair elections.. if you read the 7 points agenda its all about free and fair elections.
As IK said that if Govt. will not accept PTI demands and will still enforce Muk muka care taker set up than PTI will definitely take some steps to protest against any "Muk Muka" !! | |
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| imirza10
Posts:9
Insaf Member
| | 17/01/2013 3:58 AM |
| | I do not know about others, what they think, what they say, but I am highly dissatisfied from PTI's behavior during this crunch time ... | | | |
| MAJID786
Posts:56
Insaf Tiger
| | 17/01/2013 4:16 AM |
| @abdulmaalik
great!!!!! who gave you the right to reply to @shahjeegr8 in a such a tone, are you a PTI official, remmeber PTI is democratic e party every memebr has a right to vent his/her steem in such a way they feel. I suggest you to be kicked out of PTI.
I have already replied my answer to your earlier msg to me, look up. I think you have habit of assuming what other feel or think, better get rid of it.
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| shahjeegr8
Posts:9
Insaf Member
| | 17/01/2013 4:28 AM |
| @ajmal.chaudhary and all PTI Supporters
TQ sb ko hum ek taraf ker daite hain. Now i wll tell you about double policy. As u said about 7 points agenda, Imran Khan ne ju 7 points agenda paish kia hai us main yeh kaha tha ke ager government Supreme Court ke faisla per 24 hours main amal nahi kerti tu hum Tsunami March karain ge. Another point is ager President Asif Ali Zardari foran apni seat se resign nahi kerte tab bhi hum Tsunami March karain ge kuin ke President Zardari ke hote hue free and fair elections nahi ho sakte. Kal raat ko main aik talk show main dekh raha tha ke Shafqat Mehmood sahab ne yeh kaha ke ager zardari sb apni seat se resign na bhi karain tab bhi hum election main zaroor hisa lein ge. Jis tarah yeh sab opposition parties aapas main mil gai hain kia yeh muk muka nahi hai. Sirf Imran Khan akaile nazar aate hain. Aur aap logo ko kia lagta hai ke yeh sab loag ju neeche se le ker ooper tak corruption main latpat hain, kia itni aasani se free and fair elections hone dain ge. Kabhi nahi, Aaj nahi tu kal Imran Khan ko zaroor Tsunami March kerna he pare ga. But no doubt awam ki awaaz ke saath awaaz na mila ker Imran Khan ne apne buhat sare supporters loose ker diye hain and its a fact. Ager aap ko yaqeen na ho tu TQ sb ke long march main ja ker pooch sakte hain.
Veryyyyyyyyyyyy veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy disappointed. | | | |
| akhtarmaitla
Posts:12
Insaf Member
| | 17/01/2013 4:42 AM |
| | 100 % Agree with Majid 786.
Khuda ka wasta hai uthoo aur kamino ko bhagha do.
phir ye kabhi palat kar wapis na ain | | | |
| MAJID786
Posts:56
Insaf Tiger
| | 17/01/2013 4:48 AM |
| @shahjeegr8
well said, could not be expressed any better
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| ajmal.choudhary
Posts:2888
Insaf Shaheen
Moderator
| | 17/01/2013 4:54 AM |
| Posted By shahjeegr8 on 17/01/2013 4:28 AM
@ajmal.chaudhary and all PTI Supporters
TQ sb ko hum ek taraf ker daite hain. Now i wll tell you about double policy. As u said about 7 points agenda, Imran Khan ne ju 7 points agenda paish kia hai us main yeh kaha tha ke ager government Supreme Court ke faisla per 24 hours main amal nahi kerti tu hum Tsunami March karain ge.
Another point is ager President Asif Ali Zardari foran apni seat se resign nahi kerte tab bhi hum Tsunami March karain ge kuin ke President Zardari ke hote hue free and fair elections nahi ho sakte. Kal raat ko main aik talk show main dekh raha tha ke Shafqat Mehmood sahab ne yeh kaha ke ager zardari sb apni seat se resign na bhi karain tab bhi hum election main zaroor hisa lein ge.
Jis tarah yeh sab opposition parties aapas main mil gai hain kia yeh muk muka nahi hai. Sirf Imran Khan akaile nazar aate hain. Aur aap logo ko kia lagta hai ke yeh sab loag ju neeche se le ker ooper tak corruption main latpat hain, kia itni aasani se free and fair elections hone dain ge. Kabhi nahi, Aaj nahi tu kal Imran Khan ko zaroor Tsunami March kerna he pare ga. But no doubt awam ki awaaz ke saath awaaz na mila ker Imran Khan ne apne buhat sare supporters loose ker diye hain and its a fact. Ager aap ko yaqeen na ho tu TQ sb ke long march main ja ker pooch sakte hain.
Veryyyyyyyyyyyy veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy disappointed.
I respect your point of view. But please put everything in right prospective. I will try to answer all your questions one by one:
1. Please correct it that Imran khan didn't gave any 24 hours deadline for Tsunami March.
2. I think PTI said it many times that PTI will contest the coming elections at any cost.. How worse the situation may be but PTI can't Boycott the elections.. Because this way these corrupt mafias will get free hand..and all these status quo want PTI not to take part in elections.
3. Again Imran Khan demand resignation of Asif Zardari..because he is not a neutral president.. and this thing is already endorsed by the Lahore high court.. so I don't know what is wrong in this demand.
4. You may be right about this point that some PTI supporters are part of this long march..But you will soon realize the importance of PTI's decision not to participate in this march.. Inshahallah these supporters will definitely come back into PTI. Lets wait and see the end game of this March.
In the end I would say that decision of joining Long march is not so simple as it looks like.. There is not doubt that if Govt. will not accept demands of PTI and announce a muk muka care taker setup than PTI has all the rights to give call of a Tsunami march ..
IK have never ruled out the option of Tsunami March.. but you have to see several things before giving such a call in order to make sure that it won't end up without any logical results. You need proper time to mobilize public through all Pakistan officer holders.. you need to consider the weather conditions.. you need to have a solid reason which may be a muk muka care taker setup..and you need to organize proper arrangements for the participants so that they don't face problems like TUQ's march where people don't have any food, drinks and many suffering because of rains and many are already sick due to cold weather..
I hope you understand my detailed reply. I would suggest all PTI well wishers to wait few more weeks .. you will definitely find out the real reasons of PTI's decision and I am sure PTI's next strategy will satisfy everyone !
In Pakistan it is very hard to differentiate between a real and FIXED match ! (in general)
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| akhtarmaitla
Posts:12
Insaf Member
| | 17/01/2013 4:57 AM |
| | jab kaminay apas main mil gay hain. to shaheen aur tigers apas main kiyoon nahi mil saktay.
ao inn kaminoon ko aik sabaq sikha dain.
khuda ka wasta
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| MAJID786
Posts:56
Insaf Tiger
| | 17/01/2013 5:12 AM |
| @ajmal.choudhary
i respect your calm manner and respect for others veiw and effort to clear some points.
yet do not agree with you on when you say
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hope you understand my detailed reply. I would suggest all PTI well
wishers to wait few more weeks .. you will definitely find out the real
reasons of PTI's decision and I am sure PTI's next strategy will satisfy
everyone !"
you are asking for "few more weeks" that is the main issue, situation is demanding for action now,it is now or never.
right now a gang of ten is meeting with Dr. Qadri, and if Dr. Qadri achieves his targets, then PTI is doomed, i assure you at least 50 percent supporter will walk away from PTI and join Dr. Qadri. My dear, timming is important, and it is sad to see, IK could not take a right decision on right time.
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| shahjeegr8
Posts:9
Insaf Member
| | 17/01/2013 5:26 AM |
| 101% agreed with @Majid786
Its do or die situation. Imran Khan ko dobara aisa golden chance kabhi nahi mile ga. Please join hands with TQ and call for Tsunami March. Apne ghalat advisers ki baton main mat aaain. Please listen people of Pakistan's voice. They are all with you. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee get up | | | |
| MAJID786
Posts:56
Insaf Tiger
| | 17/01/2013 5:40 AM |
| To minimize the demage caused by not taking the right decision by IK. IK can now announce the solidarity with Dr.Qadri and make it clear that if this meeting between Gang of ten Dr.Qadri, brings positive results, then all agreed condition must be implemented within give time period. IK can issue a warning, if Governement try to wiggle out of them, then a call for Tsunami shall be given.
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| Ifrah16
Posts:73
Insaf Tiger
| | 17/01/2013 5:50 AM |
| | @Incoginto80
Taking precautions is sensible, it should be encouraged, not discouraged. I'd rather have a live (good) leader who sleeps with protection rather than a dead hero who sleeps of the streets. Imran Khan should be taking care of his security we need him. I think the only reason TUQ is inside a trailer is because it's bulletproof. If there was no safety issue attached he'd be out on the road too. But then I can't be sure that's just my speculation.
There's no comparison between IK & TUQ - they are both reputed men in different fields (but with very similar, if not identical, ideas for Pakistan's future). I only know TUQ as an Islamic scholar, whereas I know Imran Khan as a philanthropist, a leader, a cricketer & hopefully a to-be president. I just wish we could've joined forces to create a full-on tsunami effect to change Pakistan, to end corruption. | | | |
| toheed99
Posts:3
Insaf Member
| | 17/01/2013 6:01 AM |
| | Dear khan sb. we are big fan and also loyal voters of u. Please come and join Qadrie's Dhrna..Don't play typical political game with us.. | | | |
| abdulmaalik
Posts:1178
Insaf Shaheen
| | 17/01/2013 6:27 AM |
| | For Qadri supporters: 'Gang of 10' also includes two of his allies i-e Farooq Sattar and Babar Ghouri.Shaid hum Pakistanio ki short-term memory bhi weak hai! | | | |
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