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Subject: Administrative Units of Pakistan
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a_malik77
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16/01/2012 3:38 PM  
As the discussion around the topic has re emerged in the news, I thought we should bring it up again in our forums and get as much input as possible from online members that might help PTI committee responsible for the task.
a_malik77
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16/01/2012 5:22 PM  
One of the reason for major problems Pakistan is facing today is due to it's current federating units i.e. provinces. The dividision is based on enthnicity and not for the purpose of administration. Today people talk about their provinces as if province is separate entity from country. And alot of times federal govt gets blackmailed by one or ther other province.

I think current provinces should be abolished and divisions should be converted to provinces and give them maximum autonomy.

Following is an extract from Wikipedia:

No. Division Capital
1 Azad Kashmir Muzaffarabad
2 Bahawalpur Bahawalpur
3 Bannu Bannu
4 Dera Ghazi Khan Dera Ghazi Khan
5 Dera Ismail Khan Dera Ismail Khan
6 Faisalabad Faisalabad
7 F.A.T.A. Islamabad
8 Gujranwala Gujranwala
9 Hazara Abbottabad
10 Hyderabad Hyderabad
11 Islamabad Islamabad
12 Kalat Khuzdar
13 Karachi Karachi
14 Kohat Kohat
15 Lahore Lahore
16 Larkana Larkana
17 Makran Turbat
18 Malakand Saidu
19 Mardan Mardan
20 Mirpur Khas Mirpur Khas
21 Multan Multan
22 Nasirabad Nasirabad
23 Northern Areas Gilgit
24 Peshawar Peshawar
25 Quetta Quetta
26 Rawalpindi Rawalpindi
27 Sargodha Sargodha
28 Sibi Sibi
29 Sukkur Sukkur
30 Zhob Loralai


some of the divisions are still population vise too big and should be adjusted to get a manageable population size.
maliksaab
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17/01/2012 4:13 AM  
Having multiple manageable administrative units is good, whether they be called provinces or divisions or whatever. The real power should be with the local governments.

Having more provinces would just give more opportunities for corruption imho.

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M Qamar saeed
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17/01/2012 4:22 AM  
Involvement of more and more people in the system always reduces corruption. abolishing provinces and giving divisions provincial powers would in fact reduce management costs as each assembly would consist of only the subset of modern provincial assemblies. It would also serve the purpose of devolution to district, its would also reduce Punjab hegemony over the federation (I am a Punjabi, just to be clear). And most importantly, it would ease people's lives.
waqas
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17/01/2012 4:46 AM  
if you convert them into provinces will they be self sustainable. Remember administrative unit and province is two different subjects.
a_malik77
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Insaf Tiger

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17/01/2012 10:03 AM  
@maliksaab: Corruption is not nearly as dangerous as the division based upon enthnicity. When the units are smaller administration is in direct reach of the residents of that area, corruption might prevail but only for a short as
@M Qamar saeed pointed out it will be only matter of time before it will be rootedout.

@waqas: current provinces ARE for the purpose of administration they do not (atleast in theory) serve any other purpose.

This will also stop shouts like 'chotay sobay aor baray subay' 'sind card', 'punjabi dominance' etc etc

A person living in Bahawalpur would have to travel full day to reach it's provincial capital if he has to get anything done the distance is too much. Does 'takhat Lahore' has any idea what's happening in a small town 20Km from Mianwali????

I just feel current structure is one of the biggest players in Pakistan's current situation. Four people responsible of faits of 180 million people this is just absolute madness.
safridis
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23/02/2012 9:07 PM  

For some reason there is always an underlying assumption that if we are to revisit the number of provinces (administrative units) we must do so based upon the prevailing system. This, in my opinion, is a flawed stratagem.

The reason why smaller administrative units are being considered is because the present system is not fit for purpose. I suppose in a roundabout way I am simply stating that if we decide to revisit the issues of administrative units (provinces) then it must be done with a clean slate, and not based on a flawed legacy system.

Example:

If we are to dissolve current provinces and make the previous divisions the largest administrative unit then why retain ‘provincial assemblies’? 30 such bodies will create a huge redundancy of effort and especially in a federated state.

We already have a model for the Local Body Government based on three tiers (Union, Tehsil, City/District). We could revive the Divisions of old and have a Direct Elect Governor for each 'Division' who administers the divisional workings of Federal departments. This will reduce governing expenditure and also strengthen a federated tie between each Division (province) and the Federal Government.

 

Changes should be made, but (as the cliché goes) why throw out the baby with the bath water?

shaziaaa
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29/02/2012 5:39 PM  
Till USA in afghanistan impossible stability in kashmir very old indian pakistani dispute never palestine issue gona be solved ever never similar supporting india against china the country who had broken all records of human rights voilations in kashmir with the help of hindu extremist terrorist indian organisation shev cena bal takray most important pakistan Balochistan issue with the support of india because of several reasons cia raw creating instabilty inside pakistan since long similar syria iran jordan libya iraq qatar shaam etc etc many other countries going to be new target pre planned 911 al qaida osama cia agent useless propaganda war started by haterd jewish lobbies sitting in america playing making american people fool making their life more risky and eating their taxes like parasites playing the chess in their congress for their devilish desires to capture muslim world resources oil hunger to cool down their haterdness ever some one heard in europe or canda america uk bomb blasts suicide attacks Drones no why ???? till america itself dont splash into pieces like russia including israel impossible for this world to live in piece.
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