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asif238
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Insaf Shaheen

14/03/2008 10:07 AM
......"One mistake many of us are making at present is to confuse Musharraf with the establishment. It is Musharraf who is discredited. The establishment remains as powerful as before. The army under Gen Ashfaq Kayani may have taken a step backwards and may be making the right noises but its power, for good or evil, hasn't diminished and officers of the rank of major general and above have lost none of their contempt for politicians as a class."..... http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=101160 A direct aim at Gen Kayani by newly elected MNA Ayaz Amir. Ayaz Mir is no more a journalist now hes a parliamentarian from noon leagues platform so his every word would be considered a part of party's thinking & policy. Even before taking oath he has opened another front & started firing on Gen Kayani & his surrogates. He has forgotten that we should resolve the Judiciary issue first & then aim at next target. But he seemz to be too much excited to be a parliamentarian & wanna bring into limelight the new issues way before even digging into the opened ones. Good luck man The list of blunders has started piling up. "Zardari could be a candidate for PM from PPP", Dr. Babar Awan "We have reservations regarding Makhdoom's candidacy for PM" Khwaja Asif "Officers of the rank of major general and above have lost none of their contempt for politicians as a class." Ayaz Mir

anasyounus
Posts:44

Insaf Activist

14/03/2008 11:57 AM
Although you can argue about the timing but what he said seems absolutely correct to me... distancing military from the state business might be the personal thinking of Gen Kiyani but by no means we can assume that all the generals are thinking alike...we dont know what they will do when they get the chance.. and I dont think USA want any such govt in Pakistan at the moment which had to consider the view of Pakistani public when making decisions...so the best possible choice for them is a dictator.... they also have taken a step backward because of the overwhelming majority of the pakistani people distancing thereself from the Mush and his policies, but still they are supporting mush which I think is not exactly to keep mush in power but to keep politicians under pressure and they are giving them signals that if they dont follow what they are saying then america can invest in having any new arrangement......

asif238
Posts:1457

Insaf Shaheen

14/03/2008 1:25 PM
To attack Kayani at this moment Ayaz Mir is doing no good to the purpose for which people have elected him. The first & foremost is the reinstatement of Judiciary, even Mush is still there with 58(2b). I am completely unable to understand the opening of entirely a new front without solving the existing one. I was not expecting Wasi Zafar/Sher Afghan kinna politics from Ayaz Mir atleast.

sialkotdaraja
Posts:3045

Insaf Shaheen

14/03/2008 1:52 PM
I agree with Asif. It will be hard to do anything against army at the moment for the present government.

I don't believe in taking Right decisions, I take decisions and make them right! - Jinnah

host
Posts:1101

Insaf Shaheen
Admin, Strategy

14/03/2008 2:10 PM
The Army can only be kept in the barracks by a trust judiciary and media that bows to no one, and can keep the politicians in check. In such a condition, Army coups are untenable. Kayani did a good deed to the nation by pulling ISI out of Musharraf's rigging plans. But we have to stand on our own two feet, civil society has to strengthen itself so that a coup cannot even be imagined in future. The PPP-PMLN alliance is a good omen in this respect.

"When one bright intellect meets another bright intellect, the light increases and the Way becomes clear" -- Rumi

madeel
Posts:1927

Insaf Shaheen
Web Management

14/03/2008 9:49 PM
I don't see what is wrong with the Ayaz Mir statement. It would not affect the the coalition of PPP-PML-N even a single bit. Rather it serves a purpose that we should not hope anything from the army generals.

asif238
Posts:1457

Insaf Shaheen

14/03/2008 10:54 PM
madeel The statement is not wrong, but to fire at Kayani right now when hes not done anything wrong or below par even until know hes above the fray, is no more than a childish act. Its the politicians turn, instead of throwing inflammatory rhetoric publicaly, they have to resolve the issues inside parliament. They have to reinstate the judiciary & impeach Mush & its by no means over yet. I don't wanna see another replica of 90s, instead of empowering the democratic culture they did waste one full decade in confrontation with all the institutions whether it was Army or Judiciary or even media (both print electronic), which in return created a hatered in general public for the politicians too coz they never strengthened the democratic process in order to get power at any cost. Politicians have to strengthened the democratic culture without confrontation with any of the institutions. Its the only way to restore confidence among general public. Every institution including parliament is important for Pakistans sovereignity & we(general public) want everyone to stay in its bounderies & respect eachother instead of creating a chaos & hateredness among themselves.

usman
Posts:110

Insaf Shaheen

15/03/2008 3:21 AM
Kiyani is doing well until now but I agree with Ayaz Amir. His statement is correct in principal. Kiyani is nothing alone. the bunch of generals behind him make policies and if their majority will Kiyani in depoliticising the army only then establishment killing power can be eliminated. Other wise thing will remain unchanged.

madeel
Posts:1927

Insaf Shaheen
Web Management

15/03/2008 4:29 PM
I agree that firing at Kiyani would not be a right move. However, I have read the article. My impression was that Ayaz Mir is not criticizing Kiyani, rather arguing about a class. I felt that Ayaz Mir was referring to the prevailing attitude in the higher command in the army.

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